Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[B-Man]

 

 

Clearly the lopsided Griner trade shows that the US is NOT deadly serious about the war in Ukraine and it’s just a massive psyop designed to launder money and distract the NPCs.

 

Why else release a guy who not only helps kill Americans, but makes Putin’s war machine money.  

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

19 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Clearly the lopsided Griner trade shows that the US is NOT deadly serious about the war in Ukraine and it’s just a massive psyop designed to launder money and distract the NPCs.

 

Why else release a guy who not only helps kill Americans, but makes Putin’s war machine money.  

 

 

 

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Yup, he can go collect the resting burned out trash of Russian tanks our Javelin missiles have blown to atoms. What a joke 

[sherpa]

Here's some interesting information.

 

First on an inventory note, I was watching the CEO of Raytheon on CNBC the other day and he mentioned that in the first ten months of this war, Ukraine had gone through ten years of Javelin production and fifteen years of Stinger production.

Obviously, we need to get those, or replacements back up to acceptable inventories.

 

Next.

In Mar 2008, Russia invaded Georgia. Price of oil at the time was $125/barrel.

In Feb 2014, Russia invades Crimea.  Price of oil at the time was $103/barrel.

In Feb 2022 Russia invades Ukraine. Price of oil at the time was $93/barrel.

 

From January or2017 until January of 21, the price of oil averaged between $40 and $60/barrel.

Russia invaded nobody.

 

Seems patently obvious to me that Putin only invades when he can fund it with oil sales.

 

EU and UK have spent $29 billion on Russian oil since the invasion.

EU and UK have donated $28 billion in arms/aid to Ukraine.

Great strategy.

 

Check this chart for oil prices from Nov of 2020 until March of 2021.

 

Oil-Nov 2020 until March 2021

 

I wonder what happened in that time period to facilitate the rise?

 

Edited December 9, 2022 by sherpa

[Tiberius]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Putin wanted Bout back for a reason.

 

His war in Ukraine has turned into a disaster and he’s running out of arms for soldiers he mobilized as reinforcements. It won’t be long before Bout not only arms up Russia’s forces but also the same terror groups that share his hatred for the West.

 

A lot of people will die when Bout gets his business revved up. But hey, at least the WNBA got its player out of the deal.

 

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/12/09/biden-admin-officials-russia-wants-its-assassin-back-for-whelan-n516815

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Yes 

 

 

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Putin wanted Bout back for a reason.

 

His war in Ukraine has turned into a disaster and he’s running out of arms for soldiers he mobilized as reinforcements. It won’t be long before Bout not only arms up Russia’s forces but also the same terror groups that share his hatred for the West.

 

A lot of people will die when Bout gets his business revved up. But hey, at least the WNBA got its player out of the deal.

 

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/12/09/biden-admin-officials-russia-wants-its-assassin-back-for-whelan-n516815

 

 

 

h no, he is Putin's secret weapon! He will wave his magic wand and weapons will appear! 

[B-Man]

23 hours ago, B-Man said:

Putin wanted Bout back for a reason.

 

His war in Ukraine has turned into a disaster and he’s running out of arms for soldiers he mobilized as reinforcements. It won’t be long before Bout not only arms up Russia’s forces but also the same terror groups that share his hatred for the West.

 

A lot of people will die when Bout gets his business revved up. But hey, at least the WNBA got its player out of the deal.

 

 

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/12/09/biden-admin-officials-russia-wants-its-assassin-back-for-whelan-n516815

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

What Vicktor Bout supports the guy who just got him out of prison, I for one am shocked.

[B-Man]

16 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

What Vicktor Bout supports the guy who just got him out of prison, I for one am shocked.

 

 

No sh*t.

 

The point is NOT what he is saying, but that he is already back in business.

 

By the by, the interviewer is Maria Butina, who was also formerly imprisoned in the US as an unregistered foreign agent.

 

😡

 

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[B-Man]

 

What next for Viktor Bout?

By Monica Showalter

 

FTA:

 

What's scary is that Bout returns now to a different world.

 

Ukraine is now an even bigger shambles than it was when the Soviet Union fell and arms are absolutely all over the place, ready for resale. Huge amounts of money and grift make it easier to get away with such deeds because a lot of people are doing it.

 

What's scarier still is that he still has ties to Afghanistan, where Joe Biden irresponsibly left an even bigger stash of weapons ... and based on U.S. and EU sanctions, the Taliban needs money. 

 

Bout claims he had only sold arms to the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan which once fought the Taliban, but U.S. intelligence and others think he may have sold to al-Qaida and the Taliban and just not be saying. If it's true, than he likely still has some good business ties with that bunch and they've got some fresh merchandise for him to dispose of for them. Even if it's not true, he could likely make a deal with them.

 

Both war zones are absolutely tailor-made for Bout's "services" and now Joe Biden cannot stop him.

 

He'll sell these arms lying around to anyone -- Mexico's cartels, flush with cash from crossing fees from illegals taking advantage of Joe Biden's open borders might be one buyer candidate. There are many other potential examples, too, particularly in Venezuela, or Yemen, or Burma, basically any hellhole.

 

But if just the Mexico trouble happens, and arms sales from Afghanistan or Ukraine go to the cartels, we will have come full circle then, wouldn't we?

 

Biden left the arms lying around in Afghanistan and Ukraine, Biden enriched the cartels looking for arms to buy, and Biden let Bout out of the clink in a cheap exchange for a woke basketball player who checked the right boxes, effectively releasing a him like a sealed bacillus.

 

Letting Bout out sounds like a perfect storm of trouble for the U.S., and this guy didn't like the U.S. to start with, given his willingness to sell weapons to FARC to kill Americans. Now he's got motive for revenge on the Americans that's cubed, based on those 14 years of hard time he did in Marion, Indiana. That dovetails with Putin's motive for revenge, based on U.S. money-flinging and weapons deliveries in Ukraine, and Russia's huge, bigger-than-American-casualties-in-Vietnam casualty count.

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/12/what_next_for_viktor_bout.html

[Tiberius]

50 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

What next for Viktor Bout?

By Monica Showalter

 

FTA:

 

What's scary is that Bout returns now to a different world.

 

Ukraine is now an even bigger shambles than it was when the Soviet Union fell and arms are absolutely all over the place, ready for resale. Huge amounts of money and grift make it easier to get away with such deeds because a lot of people are doing it.

 

What's scarier still is that he still has ties to Afghanistan, where Joe Biden irresponsibly left an even bigger stash of weapons ... and based on U.S. and EU sanctions, the Taliban needs money. 

 

Bout claims he had only sold arms to the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan which once fought the Taliban, but U.S. intelligence and others think he may have sold to al-Qaida and the Taliban and just not be saying. If it's true, than he likely still has some good business ties with that bunch and they've got some fresh merchandise for him to dispose of for them. Even if it's not true, he could likely make a deal with them.

 

Both war zones are absolutely tailor-made for Bout's "services" and now Joe Biden cannot stop him.

 

He'll sell these arms lying around to anyone -- Mexico's cartels, flush with cash from crossing fees from illegals taking advantage of Joe Biden's open borders might be one buyer candidate. There are many other potential examples, too, particularly in Venezuela, or Yemen, or Burma, basically any hellhole.

 

But if just the Mexico trouble happens, and arms sales from Afghanistan or Ukraine go to the cartels, we will have come full circle then, wouldn't we?

 

Biden left the arms lying around in Afghanistan and Ukraine, Biden enriched the cartels looking for arms to buy, and Biden let Bout out of the clink in a cheap exchange for a woke basketball player who checked the right boxes, effectively releasing a him like a sealed bacillus.

 

Letting Bout out sounds like a perfect storm of trouble for the U.S., and this guy didn't like the U.S. to start with, given his willingness to sell weapons to FARC to kill Americans. Now he's got motive for revenge on the Americans that's cubed, based on those 14 years of hard time he did in Marion, Indiana. That dovetails with Putin's motive for revenge, based on U.S. money-flinging and weapons deliveries in Ukraine, and Russia's huge, bigger-than-American-casualties-in-Vietnam casualty count.

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/12/what_next_for_viktor_bout.html

Bull sh it 

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bull sh it 

 

 

Deflective, non-intelligent response from one afraid to face his own contradictions.

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Deflective, non-intelligent response from one afraid to face his own contradictions.

 

 

No, it's just Bull sh it. This one guy you clowns want to build up into a hobgoblin of massive proportions. Just stupid 

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

No, it's just Bull sh it. This one guy you clowns want to build up into a hobgoblin of massive proportions. Just stupid 

 

 

Just like you guys built trump into one 

[Tiberius]

19 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Just like you guys built trump into one 

No, he tried overthrowing an election 

 

You just don’t care 

[Tiberius]

 

[ChiGoose]

Excellent news

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Excellent news

 

 

I’m sorry…all Ukrainian news must come from Tibs. We have to maintain some semblance of order on here. 😉

[Tiberius]

4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Excellent news

 

 

Would love to know what they will be shooting at. Bigger cruise missiles I guess. Against those drone swarms I can't imagine they are of much help. Glad they are getting them though. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

49 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Would love to know what they will be shooting at. Bigger cruise missiles I guess. Against those drone swarms I can't imagine they are of much help. Glad they are getting them though. 

 

They've got ABM capability.  Iran's helping replenish the stocks of short and medium range ballistic missiles Russia's been burning through. Iran's versions are just their take on the original Soviet/Russian missiles they bought. That's what they're for, that and shooting down the Russian Airforce.