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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Keep the money flowing! Fighting fascism is not cheap, but it is worth it. 

 

We probably should figure out a way in the future to take all of Russia's resources. 

 

My kids are gonna be paying for this war til they're 30. How will we fund the conflicts in the future? 

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5 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

We probably should figure out a way in the future to take all of Russia's resources. 

 

My kids are gonna be paying for this war til they're 30. How will we fund the conflicts in the future? 

We won't even notice it. You are crying like the sky is falling 

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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

We won't even notice it. You are crying like the sky is falling 

 

 

I was being nice about it, you wanna be a little B word we can go there too. 

 

Russia's on the ropes, we don't need to keep robbing the taxpayers so the elites have a place to launder their warmonger money.

 

Give Ukraine maybe 5 billion, not 55 billion. That's ridiculous. 

 

It's your line of thinking that has Mac and cheese at $5 dollars a box, a Toyota Camry at $48,000 dollars and Taylor swift tickets for $87,000 dollars. 

 

Enough with the stupidity already. 

 

 

 

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I was being nice about it, you wanna be a little B word we can go there too. 

 

Russia's on the ropes, we don't need to keep robbing the taxpayers so the elites have a place to launder their warmonger money.

 

Give Ukraine maybe 5 billion, not 55 billion. That's ridiculous. 

 

It's your line of thinking that has Mac and cheese at $5 dollars a box, a Toyota Camry at $48,000 dollars and Taylor swift tickets for $87,000 dollars. 

 

Enough with the stupidity already. 

 

 

 

Give the $100 billion! We will get over it and no one will even notice it here. 

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1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

We still have a rew more rouge nations were gonna have to deal with, don't blow our wad on that mudpit 

Spending now means we did not appease Putin, therefore other countries will know we mean business and not act out aggressivly. We actually save money this way 

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11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Spending now means we did not appease Putin, therefore other countries will know we mean business and not act out aggressivly. We actually save money this way 

 

 

We're being robbed blind 

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8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Right, so back to the topic

 

Peter Zeihan on why May, 2023 will give us a decent idea of who's going to win the war.

 

To make a long story short. By May 2023, Ukraine will have had time to repair and refurbish the mountains of weapons it's captured from Russia. Russia will have had time to fortify its positions and flood Ukraine with poorly trained, badly lead, badly equipped cannon meat.  So May is when we find out who wins, Ukrainian quality or Russian quantity. 

 

 

 

I expect the arrival of good war weather in May has more to with this issue than the economist's analysis.

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5 hours ago, SCBills said:

Zelensky banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.. because that’s what good guys who deserve all our money do. 

Not  Ukrainian Orthodox Church , banning Russian Orthodox Church that are in Ukraine

 

Ukraine to prepare law banning churches 'affiliated' with Russia

KYIV, Dec 2 (Reuters) - The Ukrainian government will draw up a law banning churches affiliated with Russia under moves described by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy as necessary to prevent Moscow being able to "weaken Ukraine from within."

 

In a move condemned in Moscow, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council told the government to draft the law following a series of raids on parishes that Kyiv says could be taking orders from Moscow as Russia wages war on Ukraine.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-orders-probe-into-russian-linked-church-says-zelenskiy-2022-12-01/


The Real Reason the Russian Orthodox Church’s Leader Supports Putin’s War

 

This month in Russia, Kirill, a powerful bishop who has been the patriarch of Moscow and primate of the Russian Orthodox Church since 2009, came out once again in support of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s killing machine in Ukraine. Kirill’s view is that God is on Russia’s side, even as Putin’s forces bomb maternity hospitals and the bodies of mutilated men, women, and children are discovered in Ukrainian towns recently occupied by Russian troops, such as Bucha.

 

But the current war in Ukraine is not the first time Kirill has condoned bloodshed. He also saw Putin’s destruction of Syrian cities such as Aleppo, when Russia entered the Syrian war, in Crusader terms: as a fight against infidels.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/26/ukraine-war-russian-orthodox-church-support-patriarch-kirill-homophobia/

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4 hours ago, ALF said:

Not  Ukrainian Orthodox Church , banning Russian Orthodox Church that are in Ukraine

 

Ukraine to prepare law banning churches 'affiliated' with Russia

KYIV, Dec 2 (Reuters) - The Ukrainian government will draw up a law banning churches affiliated with Russia under moves described by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy as necessary to prevent Moscow being able to "weaken Ukraine from within."

 

In a move condemned in Moscow, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council told the government to draft the law following a series of raids on parishes that Kyiv says could be taking orders from Moscow as Russia wages war on Ukraine.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-orders-probe-into-russian-linked-church-says-zelenskiy-2022-12-01/


The Real Reason the Russian Orthodox Church’s Leader Supports Putin’s War

 

This month in Russia, Kirill, a powerful bishop who has been the patriarch of Moscow and primate of the Russian Orthodox Church since 2009, came out once again in support of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s killing machine in Ukraine. Kirill’s view is that God is on Russia’s side, even as Putin’s forces bomb maternity hospitals and the bodies of mutilated men, women, and children are discovered in Ukrainian towns recently occupied by Russian troops, such as Bucha.

 

But the current war in Ukraine is not the first time Kirill has condoned bloodshed. He also saw Putin’s destruction of Syrian cities such as Aleppo, when Russia entered the Syrian war, in Crusader terms: as a fight against infidels.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/26/ukraine-war-russian-orthodox-church-support-patriarch-kirill-homophobia/


Ah, ok.. much better. 
 

Zelensky has dissolved the media, banned free speech, banned opposition political parties and is now banning opposition religious institutions. 
 

All while still supporting Azov and having plenty of documented human rights abuses being leveled at the Ukrainian army themselves. 
 

War is ugly, and Russia is in the wrong, but Zelensky isn’t some sympathetic figure.. he’s systemically enforcing authoritarian tactics while we just keep sending him money.  
 

In a never ending proxy war that will only keep getting people killed. 
 

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4 hours ago, ALF said:

Not  Ukrainian Orthodox Church , banning Russian Orthodox Church that are in Ukraine

 

Ukraine to prepare law banning churches 'affiliated' with Russia

KYIV, Dec 2 (Reuters) - The Ukrainian government will draw up a law banning churches affiliated with Russia under moves described by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy as necessary to prevent Moscow being able to "weaken Ukraine from within."

 

In a move condemned in Moscow, Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council told the government to draft the law following a series of raids on parishes that Kyiv says could be taking orders from Moscow as Russia wages war on Ukraine.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-orders-probe-into-russian-linked-church-says-zelenskiy-2022-12-01/


The Real Reason the Russian Orthodox Church’s Leader Supports Putin’s War

 

This month in Russia, Kirill, a powerful bishop who has been the patriarch of Moscow and primate of the Russian Orthodox Church since 2009, came out once again in support of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s killing machine in Ukraine. Kirill’s view is that God is on Russia’s side, even as Putin’s forces bomb maternity hospitals and the bodies of mutilated men, women, and children are discovered in Ukrainian towns recently occupied by Russian troops, such as Bucha.

 

But the current war in Ukraine is not the first time Kirill has condoned bloodshed. He also saw Putin’s destruction of Syrian cities such as Aleppo, when Russia entered the Syrian war, in Crusader terms: as a fight against infidels.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/26/ukraine-war-russian-orthodox-church-support-patriarch-kirill-homophobia/

So I’m guessing you’d have been okay with the US shutting down mosques after 9/11? My opinion….We really need to leave established houses of worship out of these conflicts. 

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So I’m guessing you’d have been okay with the US shutting down mosques after 9/11? My opinion….We really need to leave established houses of worship out of these conflicts. 

 

 

Of course not , Ukraine is in a brutal war with a nuclear power , they have to try everything to survive.

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34 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

 

Of course not , Ukraine is in a brutal war with a nuclear power , they have to try everything to survive.

What? So Ukrainians can’t go to church and pray for an end to the madness? Come on Alf. I’m guessing you’re against anyone putting Russian dressing on their salads. 

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