Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Please point to what part of that is propaganda. I won’t hold my breath since you can’t. And 2016 called they want their bot insult back. You’re one who’s been fed propaganda to support lining the pockets of politicians and defense contractors. I thought you idiots learned that after the endless “war on terror”, but all it took was associating Putin with Trump for you to fall for it again. Like a broken record Oh, we are only helping Ukraine because of defence contractors? That's stupid. You are not making a serious point. But, carry on 46 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're the person consistently advocating for war so that kind of makes you the fascist. I've been clear on my views. I think the US establishment doesn't care what the outcome is here, win or lose, as long as the goal of weakening Russia is achieved. They're not interested in "saving" anyone. And if it takes Zelensky fighting the Russians down to the last soldier and civilian and than that's fine with the Washington war party. If Washington stayed out of it and left it to Ukraine, Russia, and the European States to settle the disagreements war could have easily been avoided. You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just a bag of hot air. You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow
gobills404 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”.
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh, we are only helping Ukraine because of defence contractors? That's stupid. You are not making a serious point. But, carry on You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just a bag of hot air. You want to just let Putin crush a republic and murder millions. That's pretty screwed up. Evil, even. But hey, at least our arms makers won't get some extra cash, and that will make you happy, somehow Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for setting me straight. I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return. Now I see the light. How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty? And what a tremendous record of success! Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014. I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next. Edited June 14, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, gobills404 said: You seem to be more worried about Putin than actual Ukrainians are. You’re busy fear mongering online while they’re busy going to beaches, shops, and restaurants in a city that has has supposedly been “under siege”. What conclusion do you draw from people going to a beach? Do you not know that the Russians have been driven back from Kyiv? That's pretty common knowledge 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for setting me straight. I finally understand that the US military industrial complex, or establishment, or deep state, or global empire if you please, is in reality an altruistic organization spreading good will and cheer across the globe asking nothing in return. Now I see the light. How could I possibly have thought they're a bunch of raging psychopaths intend on waging continuous war forever and have no regard for life or liberty? And what a tremendous record of success! Its just amazing how well its going for the Ukrainians compared to life before the Americans showed up on the scene in 2014. I can't wait to see which lucky country we're going to "help" next. Your point is just really stupid
ALF Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 Top Russian security official questions whether Ukraine will 'exist on the map' in 2 years Ukraine looks to secure oil to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the winter months Ukrainian energy officials are rushing to secure natural gas supplies to heat homes and power businesses ahead of the autumn and winter months as Russia’s war continues to devastate the nation. Officials reportedly met with the Biden administration earlier this month in an attempt to secure funding for gas imports from top suppliers in the Middle East. https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-security-official-questions-ukraine-existence Putin has good timing to hurt the US and EU the most right after covid.
B-Man Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 Hmmmmmm. Pope Francis says Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ Pope Francis has said Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine was “perhaps somehow provoked” as he recalled a conversation in the run-up to the war in which he was warned Nato was “barking at the gates of Russia”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/14/pope-francis-ukraine-war-provoked-russian-troops 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Tiberius said: Your point is just really stupid OK. I give up! You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me. In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war! 1
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: OK. I give up! You're lucid and ingenious response (that my point is really stupid) to what I incorrectly believed was a coherent argument has got the best of me. In the face of your overwhelming brilliance how could my argument citing the history and record of our government's propensity to engage in endless wars for almost 25 years with nothing tangible to show for it except mountains of debt, thousands of American soldiers dead, wounded, or disabled, and countless civilian deaths in almost a dozen countries have anything to do with the desire to get involved in yet another war! .
ALF Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 Ukraine , Finland and Sweden are not NATO members no threat to Russia . Switzerland has historically maintained a neutral status; its army did not participate in either world war. Switzerland's defence ministry is eyeing closer co-operation with Nato in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.May 17, 2022 Now Finland and Sweden want to join NATO due to Ukraine invasion 1
PetermansRedemption Posted June 15, 2022 Posted June 15, 2022 Ah, another 1 billion to Ukraine. I guess Biden is content to just continue writing them a blank check. I’m fine with selling them weapons. But giving them handouts has to stop sometime, right? 1
Tiberius Posted June 15, 2022 Author Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Ah, another 1 billion to Ukraine. I guess Biden is content to just continue writing them a blank check. I’m fine with selling them weapons. But giving them handouts has to stop sometime, right? Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though 1
ALF Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 Ukraine granted EU candidate status, first step toward membership Ukraine takes first step forward in its pursuit to join the EU https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-eu-candidate-status-membership This will cheer up a ailing Putin 🙂 1
Tenhigh Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) On 6/15/2022 at 12:49 PM, Tiberius said: Nope, keep the money coming. Putin in cheering on your efforts though You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs! That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business! Edited June 17, 2022 by Tenhigh 1
Tiberius Posted June 17, 2022 Author Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: You personally should TOTALLY pay more in federal income tax to help Ukraine, Tibs! That would FOR SURE show Putin that you mean business! Sure thing!
B-Man Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Crippling sanctions!! The only things that this sad episode has proven is........... Ukraine Bravery Russian Stubbornness Biden Administration naivety. 1
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