SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, that was his excuse for doing what Putin wanted Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie 1 1
ALF Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 Putin plans to 'starve much of the developing world,' Yale historian says Putin could generate a wave of refugees into the EU Russian President Vladimir Putin is planning to force the West to end its sanctions by causing a widespread famine, Yale historian Timothy Snyder argues. Snyder, a Levin professor of history at Yale University, pointed to Russia's ongoing blockade of Ukrainian grain, which shows no signs of stopping. Ukraine is a major global producer of grain, supplying mainly Middle Eastern and Asian countries. Snyder argues that Putin's plan is not only to destabilize Ukraine by cutting off exports but also destabilize the European Union by generating "refugees from North Africa and the Middle East, areas usually fed by Ukraine." https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-starve-world-ukraine-grain
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie Trump was right. Europe should pay more. Why should Americans work and pay taxes that go to the defense of Europe when people in countries like France take the month of August off and the entire country more or less shuts down for "vacation". I say let them work the extra 4 weeks, generate some GDP, pay taxes and fund their own defense, and give us, American workers, the month of August off. Protection isn't free. 1 1
Doc Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 You're a moron, or a lib, if you think that Trump wanted to get rid of NATO. No he knew they all needed the US and a threat to pull us out was all that would suffice to get them to pony up more money. And it worked. Again, not that NATO has anything at all to do with Ukraine (other than Biden's refusal to say Ukraine wouldn't be admitted to it would have prevented war).
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2022 Author Posted June 12, 2022 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Putin wanted NATO to be more fiscally stable? Okie Dokie You are such an idiot. Ignore list time?
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2022 Author Posted June 12, 2022 The video is intense. War in a civilian area
Tenhigh Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: You are such an idiot. Ignore list time? Don't you see the point?
Coffeesforclosers Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 9 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Trump was right. Europe should pay more. Why should Americans work and pay taxes that go to the defense of Europe when people in countries like France take the month of August off and the entire country more or less shuts down for "vacation". I say let them work the extra 4 weeks, generate some GDP, pay taxes and fund their own defense, and give us, American workers, the month of August off. Protection isn't free. It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about?
Tenhigh Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 Just now, Coffeesforclosers said: It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about? Keep out Nato partners fat and happy so THEY don't rise up and take over the world? I mean, I can see if you used the excuse that we want to keep them as a buffer between us and China/Russia, but your theory doesn't hold any water for me.
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 13, 2022 Posted June 13, 2022 54 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: It really doesn't concern you that the last time Europe got its economic and military ***** together, European countries conquered 80% of the world in about 200 years? That just *maybe* it's ok for them to freeload a bit on our dime so they *don't* reform, remilitarize and produce a new superpower for us to worry about? Not really. Empires rarely reform and return. Portugal, Spain, Britian, Germany, France, and so on have had their turns through history. And I don't see the EU or the Euro zone surviving the economic downturn and chaos that's in progress worldwide. It might split into some North/South have and have-nots situation or dissolve altogether. I expect it starts with Germans growing tired of subsidizing the southern European social welfare states as they demand more and more support as things get worse and then unwinds from there. 1
ALF Posted June 13, 2022 Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) An oligarch close to the Kremlin was recorded on a tape saying the president is ‘very ill with blood cancer.’ Is this true, idle speculation or disinformation designed to make an erratic and paranoid dictator vulnerable? Boris Karpichkov, a KGB defector to Britain (and formerly an officer of the Second Chief Directorate, specializing in counterintelligence) thinks his fellow sexagenarian ex-spy suffers from Parkinson’s disease, along with “numerous” other maladies including dementia. “He is — or at least acts — insane and obsessed by paranoia ideas,” Karpichkov told Rupert Murdoch’s Sun newspaper, comparing Putin in this respect to Stalin, who was the victim of at least one stroke. A Telegram channel called “General SVR” and purportedly helmed by a former officer from Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service has stated that Putin is set to undergo surgery for an unspecified form of cancer in the near future and that while he’s on the operating table, his temporary replacement will be the grim Nikolai Patrushev, the secretary of Russia’s National Security Council, a fellow ex-KGB man and longtime director of one of its successor agencies. Patrushev, as New Lines has documented, is also one of the most hawkish ideologues of the regime. Spreading rumors of his declining health could also preempt something more catastrophic such as an order to launch a nuclear weapon, which is less likely to be carried out by military commanders on behalf of a terminally ill despot. https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/is-putin-sick-or-are-we-meant-to-think-he-is/ Putin’s right-hand man Nikolai Patrushev is more barbaric than his master Patrushev is the most influential person in the Kremlin bureaucracy and is the only person Putin trusts — to the extent he trusts anyone. The two share more than a strong professional relationship. They are friends. https://nypost.com/2022/05/07/nikolai-patrushev-putins-right-hand-man-is-even-more-barbaric/ Edited June 13, 2022 by ALF
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, gobills404 said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Your target is gays, sensible gun laws and freedom
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Your target is gays, sensible gun laws and freedom Shouldn't your ire be directed at the UK Daily Mail for daring to question the narratives generated by the establishment war machine rather than the messenger here? 1 1
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Shouldn't your ire be directed at the UK Daily Mail for daring to question the narratives generated by the establishment war machine rather than the messenger here? He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist?
Tenhigh Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? How long has it been since you have called someone a fascist? It seemed like you were doing so well.
Demongyz Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? Define fascism then explain how it applies to their post.
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? You're the person consistently advocating for war so that kind of makes you the fascist. I've been clear on my views. I think the US establishment doesn't care what the outcome is here, win or lose, as long as the goal of weakening Russia is achieved. They're not interested in "saving" anyone. And if it takes Zelensky fighting the Russians down to the last soldier and civilian and than that's fine with the Washington war party. If Washington stayed out of it and left it to Ukraine, Russia, and the European States to settle the disagreements war could have easily been avoided. 1 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Demongyz said: Define fascism then explain how it applies to their post. Fascist, racist, white supremacist….the name calling list goes on and on. 1
gobills404 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are just a little propaganda bot aren't you? Please point to what part of that is propaganda. I won’t hold my breath since you can’t. And 2016 called they want their bot insult back. 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: He repeated it, right? So you are against the "establishment war machine" helping save Ukraine? Are you a fascist? You’re one who’s been fed propaganda to support lining the pockets of politicians and defense contractors. I thought you idiots learned that after the endless “war on terror”, but all it took was associating Putin with Trump for you to fall for it again. 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Fascist, racist, white supremacist….the name calling list goes on and on. Like a broken record Edited June 14, 2022 by gobills404
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