Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Tiberius]

16 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Good.  You've always got to be careful about clips like this though, as reassuring as they are.

 

I've got more than a feeling that Ukrainian losses are higher than they let on.  It's all anecdotal though.  Rolling Stone Reported on a Ukrainian Marine unit that's been in contact since Day 1. They've taken a real beating. Ukrainian Territorial Defense Units were thrown into the defense of Kyiv with little to no training.  Some Volunteers were simply handed gear and deployed.  Those units must have suffered terrible losses if they were attacked by Russia tank/mechanized units, or tried to do anything other than hold the places they were deployed. Luckily they had Russian incompetence and support from Ukraine's regular army units, that we now know are much better than anybody thought, but still.

 

 

Yup, first casualty of war is the truth. Will be interesting to see the after action reports of the war and see how accurate and truthful Uk has been. We know Uk civilians are suffering horrible losses and the troops likewise must also be. But this howitzers are really something. Winning the long range war means the shorter range stuff can move in, draw fire and then call in the sledge hammer of the big guns and clear out areas of resistance, at least in theory. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Russia bombs Ukrainian school, dozens feared dead

 

https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2022/05/08/russia-bombs-ukrainian-school-dozens-feared-dead-n467799

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[BillStime]

Putin apologists like this idiot thinks it is okay for a brutal, authoritarian to invade its neighbor.

 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

20 hours ago, BillStime said:

Putin apologists like this idiot thinks it is okay for a brutal, authoritarian to invade its neighbor.

 

 

 

Yeah, for whatever reason, it's now ok for the Alt Right to sound like whiny college liberals.  There is no right or wrong, it's all just scams by the military-industrial complex!  Followed by a lot of SAT word salad so they come off edumucated and refined.  Because Cynicism has replaced real problem-solving.

 

In other news, Putin shocked the world by saying absolutely nothing new or escalatory during his May 9th address. I'm not being sarcastic about Putin for once. Fredo is still smart and he still wants respect.  Now I am.

 

Russia is openly fortifying Ukraine's border with Kursk Oblast, on account of they're afraid Ukraine may decide to counter-invade and seize Russian cities as bargaining chips. 

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[Tiberius]

From the Washington post:

 

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense says that Russian forces are trying to develop their offensive in the Luhansk region with "continuous attempts to cross Siverski-Donetsk river near Belahorivka."

Col. Oleksandr Motuzyanyk, the spokesperson for the Defense Ministry, said the Russians had built three pontoon crossings across the river and were supporting ground troops with artillery and aircraft.

He said the Russians were aiming to cut off Lysychansk, a town on the frontlines some ten miles from one of the pontoon bridges identified on satellite imagery.

If successful, the Russian advance might be able to cut Ukrainian supply lines to the defenders of Lysychansk and Severodonetsk.

But images reviewed by CNN indicate that at least one pontoon bridge has already been destroyed, with ruined tanks and other equipment half-submerged in the river.

oops, that's cnn 

[Westside]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

From the Washington post:

 

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense says that Russian forces are trying to develop their offensive in the Luhansk region with "continuous attempts to cross Siverski-Donetsk river near Belahorivka."

Col. Oleksandr Motuzyanyk, the spokesperson for the Defense Ministry, said the Russians had built three pontoon crossings across the river and were supporting ground troops with artillery and aircraft.

He said the Russians were aiming to cut off Lysychansk, a town on the frontlines some ten miles from one of the pontoon bridges identified on satellite imagery.

If successful, the Russian advance might be able to cut Ukrainian supply lines to the defenders of Lysychansk and Severodonetsk.

But images reviewed by CNN indicate that at least one pontoon bridge has already been destroyed, with ruined tanks and other equipment half-submerged in the river.

oops, that's cnn 

CNN Hahahaha 

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, Westside said:

CNN Hahahaha 

They have actually done a pretty good job on the war. 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Electric vehicles. 

 

In the same way Ronald Reagan threatened USSR with Star Wars technology, the oil barons and sheiks and royal scum are afraid of the green revolution taking place.

 

I bet if Trump were re-elected gas prices were begin falling real quick, and not for anything that dolt would do about it 

[sherpa]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Electric vehicles. 

 

In the same way Ronald Reagan threatened USSR with Star Wars technology, the oil barons and sheiks and royal scum are afraid of the green revolution taking place.

 

I bet if Trump were re-elected gas prices were begin falling real quick, and not for anything that dolt would do about it 

 

Two points.

The move to non carbons is well underway and not stoppable.

 

The effect of Trump or anyone else, and I certainly hope it is someone else, being elected and influencing the price of oil would be the result of a change from the very foolish posture of creating an hostile environment for reasonable energy production and self reliance.

 

Biden has screwed this up in an undeniable fashion, from pipelines to oil terminal regulations, to governmental permit regulations and requiring idiotic governmental requirements from agencies like the SEC to have a cut on this,  and across the entire energy complex.

 

He, and many European leaders created this situation where the Russian thing had a far more impactful result than would have happened had reasonable policies from reasonable leadership prevailed.

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Two points.

The move to non carbons is well underway and not stoppable.

 

The effect of Trump or anyone else, and I certainly hope it is someone else, being elected and influencing the price of oil would be the result of a change from the very foolish posture of creating an hostile environment for reasonable energy production and self reliance.

 

Biden has screwed this up in an undeniable fashion, from pipelines to oil terminal regulations, to governmental permit regulations and requiring idiotic governmental requirements from agencies like the SEC to have a cut on this,  and across the entire energy complex.

 

He, and many European leaders created this situation where the Russian thing had a far more impactful result than would have happened had reasonable policies from reasonable leadership prevailed.

Can you back up the point that the gas prices are Biden's fault? Links and such? 

[sherpa]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can you back up the point that the gas prices are Biden's fault? Links and such? 

 

This is the kind of juvenile response you are known for, on many different issues.

 

The oil market is an international commodity, and a good deal of the price of crude is based on "atmosphere."

 

Throughout the years, it has been estimated that about 20% of the price is completely emotional.

 

When you have the president of the United States enacting legislation on day one, and many follow ups that is hostile to domestic production, you are going to dramatically effect a number of things.

Not just direct production, which is untenable, but the motivation for future capex to develop additional production.

 

There is a massive disincentive to produce, as the costs and time to get to market are high risk.

 

It is an illusory argument to claim that this administration, and many European ones, have not sown the seed of this idiotic and unnecessary rise in crude. 

 

They got exactly what they deserved.

 

[BillStime]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can you back up the point that the gas prices are Biden's fault? Links and such? 

 

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

This is the kind of juvenile response you are known for, on many different issues.

 

Tibs, have you noticed the cult always responds leading with THIS when they can't back it up...

 

smfh

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Tibs, have you noticed the cult always responds leading with THIS when they can't back it up...

 

smfh

Yup, arrogance backed up by ignorance. They are told they are superior people. The rest of us just don't see it and ask for clarification which leads to them getting frustrated and they start throwing insults. 

 

smh 

19 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

This is the kind of juvenile response you are known for, on many different issues.

 

The oil market is an international commodity, and a good deal of the price of crude is based on "atmosphere."

 

Throughout the years, it has been estimated that about 20% of the price is completely emotional.

 

When you have the president of the United States enacting legislation on day one, and many follow ups that is hostile to domestic production, you are going to dramatically effect a number of things.

Not just direct production, which is untenable, but the motivation for future capex to develop additional production.

 

There is a massive disincentive to produce, as the costs and time to get to market are high risk.

 

It is an illusory argument to claim that this administration, and many European ones, have not sown the seed of this idiotic and unnecessary rise in crude. 

 

They got exactly what they deserved.

 

So, no, then? Correct? 

[Tiberius]

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Tibs, have you noticed the cult always responds leading with THIS when they can't back it up...

 

smfh

 

Your head is not worth shaking.

 

The "cult?"

I am a member of a "cult?

Day after day, week after week, month after month, responsible leader of the energy industry talk about this, but I doubt you guys are even aware of it.

Instead, having created the atmosphere that Biden and the anti energy group that supports him has done, and seeing the predictable reaction, you complain about the Saudis not ramping up production.

 

It's always someone else.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Can you back up the point that the gas prices are Biden's fault? Links and such? 

Well, cancelling Keystone on day one comes to mind which would have provided 800+K BBL/Day of input to Gulf Coast refineries.  From which product pipelines move finished product up the East Coast to mid-Atlantic and New England states.  Where there happens to be a Diesel fuel shortage which by chance the Canadian oil sands heavier grade is perfectly suited to produce.     

 

I think all of this is pretty well known so are "links" necessary?  Its a matter of record that Biden did cancel Keystone. 800K is the approximately the baseline throughput of the pipeline, gulf refineries are configured to process heavier crude, the Colonial pipeline and others do exist, and oil sands grade is of the heavier variety, and keeping that oil from coming to market supports higher prices of crude and refined products. 

 

Edited May 9, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

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