SoCal Deek Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There are no spending limits given the primary US policy objective to weaken Russia through a proxy war strategy of fighting them down to the last Ukrainian. So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em!
ALF Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em! Honest question , what would you do ?
TSOL Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: There are no spending limits given the primary US policy objective to weaken Russia through a proxy war strategy of fighting them down to the last Ukrainian. It's almost as if we are forcing Russia to show their hand. Putin is psycho, he's gonna retaliate
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So our strategy is to weaken Russia AFTER they pummel a free, beautiful country into the dust? Yeah…that’ll show ‘em! Hey.. I don't make policy. I just try to interpret what's going on the best I can. I'm sticking to my basic premise this war could have been avoided with a genuine effort and desire from all parties to reach some mutually agreeable compromise. Its a shameful waste of life and a cause of much unnecessary suffering. But all the involved parties only see conditions and circumstances through the lens of their interests and views, dig in their heels, and fail to understand or assess the interests and positions from the other guys viewpoint. Like it or not, Russia views NATO as an extension of the US government and the Pentagon. And sees the European countries that belong to the alliance as vassal States doing the bidding of America while putting the interests of their countries on the back burner. That's not my view. That's just me comprehending their view. I don't see another $33B as leading to any type of resolution other than prolonging the war. Why not just take that $33B and offer each Russian soldier that defects or surrenders $100K each? If my math is correct that would cover 330K soldiers, essentially the entire Russian force. That might end the war and get nobody killed? Shamefully, that unconventional approach won't feather the nests of the defense industry and retiring Pentagon Generals that join their BOD's when they "retire".
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Hey.. I don't make policy. I just try to interpret what's going on the best I can. I'm sticking to my basic premise this war could have been avoided with a genuine effort and desire from all parties to reach some mutually agreeable compromise. Its a shameful waste of life and a cause of much unnecessary suffering. But all the involved parties only see conditions and circumstances through the lens of their interests and views, dig in their heels, and fail to understand or assess the interests and positions from the other guys viewpoint. Russia's said it over and over again. They don't want peace, they want to win. For them, winning is erasing Ukraine and Ukrainians from the history books through torture, murder, reeducation and deportation. Ukraine's offered concessions for peace, Russia has rejected them all. Zelensky called Putin personally the day before the invasion because he thought it was a bluff and wanted to negotiate more. Putin didn't pick up the phone. One side wants to annihilate the other side, and says so repeatedly. What I don't understand are people saying "well they really should find common ground and wrap this thing up". Great, what's the common ground between a free country vs. we're going to destroy you utterly and have fun doing it? Edited April 29, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers 2
B-Man Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 10 Days Into Putin's 'New Phase' of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, There Are Minor Advances but the Clock Is Ticking https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/28/10-days-into-putins-new-phase-of-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-there-are-minor-advances-but-the-clock-is-ticking-n557407 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Yup. I think it's safe to say that everyone in this thread hopes Ukraine is doing as well as they're telling us they're doing. 2
SoCal Deek Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, ALF said: Honest question , what would you do ? Honest answer: Get actual adults in the room to stop this kind of needless bloodshed and destruction BEFORE it gets started. This was NOT a sneak attack!
GaryPinC Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Honest answer: Get actual adults in the room to stop this kind of needless bloodshed and destruction BEFORE it gets started. This was NOT a sneak attack! Interesting concept. Who were the children in the room? Was Putin serious about negotiating? NATO abandon all eastern European countries? Would that and his Ukrainian demands satisfied him enough to stand down? Can you point to any instance in all this where the Russians have negotiated in good faith? Or is it all for propaganda and show? This took wing in 2014 and Putin banked that Ukraine didn't have the willpower and Europe was too economically tied to grow a backbone. Wrong on both counts. Now Lukashenko lets the cat formally out of the bag with the USSR invite. How many other "nazis" or persecuted Russian speaking people will Putin need to rescue in these other countries? I don't see an equivalency between both sides here. Can you? 1 1
TSOL Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 I wonder if the Russian people are even aware of how disgusted the rest of the world is with them?
SoCal Deek Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Interesting concept. Who were the children in the room? Was Putin serious about negotiating? NATO abandon all eastern European countries? Would that and his Ukrainian demands satisfied him enough to stand down? Can you point to any instance in all this where the Russians have negotiated in good faith? Or is it all for propaganda and show? This took wing in 2014 and Putin banked that Ukraine didn't have the willpower and Europe was too economically tied to grow a backbone. Wrong on both counts. Now Lukashenko lets the cat formally out of the bag with the USSR invite. How many other "nazis" or persecuted Russian speaking people will Putin need to rescue in these other countries? I don't see an equivalency between both sides here. Can you? Equivalence? What are you prattling on about? If the free world didn’t want Putin to attack and pummel the crap out of Ukraine then the time to stop that mad man was BEFORE a single Russian tank crossed the border. Instead our world ‘leaders’ did …oh yeah…nothing.
GaryPinC Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Equivalence? What are you prattling on about? If the free world didn’t want Putin to attack and pummel the crap out of Ukraine then the time to stop that mad man was BEFORE a single Russian tank crossed the border. Instead our world ‘leaders’ did …oh yeah…nothing. Sure, and how exactly were they going to do that short of starting WW III?
SoCal Deek Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Sure, and how exactly were they going to do that short of starting WW III? Oh I see….there’s nothing short of WWIII? So in your view the rest of world is completely impotent? Yes…I’m sure you’re right. I do have to wonder why it took Putin until just now to figure that out. Give me a break! 1
Albwan Posted April 30, 2022 Posted April 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Big Blitz said: liberals are creepy. reptiles? 1
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