Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Tiberius]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

So was it the weather and a fire that sank it or Ukraine?  FCOL you can't believe anything you read anymore!

Father Neptune sank it 
 

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093026912/russian-moskva-warship-sunk-ukraine

 

 

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Another GOPer hating on democracy 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Blasts Heard Across Ukraine As Russian Follows Through On Pledge To Step Up Strikes

 

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-attacks-kyiv-lviv-moskva/31806017.html

 

 

 

 

    

[sherpa]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

I'm not ready to believe they lost this many men yet.

Such a number seems almost impossible.

 

Still, the Russian Navy has never been a good deal.

Their single aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kusnetsov is a piece or trash. So bad that is considered punishment to be assigned to her.

The Kursk, a Soviet sub sank killing all crewmen when help was available and declined by the leadership, and now this.

 

When we were on cruise in the northern Indian Ocean, their intel ship was constantly trailing us picking up trash etc.

Every day at dawn we'd launch a SSSC mission. (Surface Search Surveillance and Control). Each airplane was assigned a sector to search, just to make sure the carrier task force had an accurate picture of the players in the area.

 

The Soviet Intel ship would always trail us overnight about 15 miles away.

It had inadequate or no air conditioning in its berthing areas, so there would always be about twenty sailors sleeping outside, on deck.

Before we'd head to search our specific sectors, we would get about ten miles behind her, push it up to mach and fly by them at deck level.

We'd then climb and do a low speed pass and they all be "gesturing" to us.

 

 

[BillStime]

"savvy" and "genius"

 

 

[Albwan]

29 minutes ago, BillStime said:

"savvy" and "genius"

 

 

...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this?

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Albwan said:

...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this?

Supplying defensive weapons,for one. Should we be sending in the USAF?

[Tiberius]

When HMS Hood blew up in 1941 everyone of the crew died save three who lived by a miracle. A large majority of USS  Arizona's crew were killed when the magazine exploded, so it maybe that Moskova's crew has gone to a better place.

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

"It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

[BillStime]

37 minutes ago, Albwan said:

...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this?

 

Doing a helluva lot more than Conald and the cult

 

63 Republicans vote against resolution expressing support for NATO

 

 

What more should DC do without inciting WWIII?

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Good

 

 

[L Ron Burgundy]

39 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

"It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

The guy is trying so so hard to become a politician it's sickening.   First flip flopping on trump then getting cozy to Gaetz and mgt.  F him.

[B-Man]

45 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

"It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

 

 

Back to the UKRAINE war thread:   😆

 

 

WAPO

Ukrainian governor: Mariupol "has been wiped off the face of the earth"

 

https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/04/16/ukrainian-governor-mariupol-has-been-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth-n462745

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Back to the UKRAINE war thread:   😆

 

 

WAPO

Ukrainian governor: Mariupol "has been wiped off the face of the earth"

 

https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/04/16/ukrainian-governor-mariupol-has-been-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth-n462745

this war will continue until Putin is gone. He will just keep killing as long as his heartbeats. But once it's done we will rebuild Ukraine. We have to,make it a stronger democratic republic than it was before that monster unleashed his evil war machine on it. 🇺🇦

[BillStime]

Alternative facts or legitimate political discourse Russian style?

 

 

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^^^^^^^

hatin 'merica, lovin' ukraine

 

you two and some idiot media people still trying to make some weird connection

between Trump and Putin...is that really part of the strategy for midterms?

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Albwan

[PetermansRedemption]

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I'm not ready to believe they lost this many men yet.

Such a number seems almost impossible.

 

Still, the Russian Navy has never been a good deal.

Their single aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kusnetsov is a piece or trash. So bad that is considered punishment to be assigned to her.

The Kursk, a Soviet sub sank killing all crewmen when help was available and declined by the leadership, and now this.

 

When we were on cruise in the northern Indian Ocean, their intel ship was constantly trailing us picking up trash etc.

Every day at dawn we'd launch a SSSC mission. (Surface Search Surveillance and Control). Each airplane was assigned a sector to search, just to make sure the carrier task force had an accurate picture of the players in the area.

 

The Soviet Intel ship would always trail us overnight about 15 miles away.

It had inadequate or no air conditioning in its berthing areas, so there would always be about twenty sailors sleeping outside, on deck.

Before we'd head to search our specific sectors, we would get about ten miles behind her, push it up to mach and fly by them at deck level.

We'd then climb and do a low speed pass and they all be "gesturing" to us.

 

 

Especially since, from the accounts I heard, the ship didn’t even sink immediately. That would mean 442 were lost from the immediate impact of one Ukrainian missile. Like you said, seems impossible. I guess if they were all sleeping in berthing and the missile happened to hit right there? Then maybe? But not very likely. Like every single news report from this war, it’s all sensational propaganda. Everything is exaggerated one way or the other. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

While I don't advocate getting news from YouTube they have a lot of supposedly intercepted calls from Russian soldiers to their homes.  Some are nuts.  Worth checking out.  I know a little Russian and I'm fairly certain they're legit.  

[Jackalope89]

[Coffeesforclosers]

8 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

If Russia were just beating up on Ukraine to prove they're top dog in the region, JD Vance is right.

 

But Russia has said over and over and over again that they want to erase the Ukrainian state and assimilate the Ukrainian people to restore their empire and break US power. So JD Vance is an idiot.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[B-Man]

 

 

Russia hits Kyiv and other major cities, Reuters reports

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis/russia-hits-kyiv-lviv-and-presses-offensive-in-ruins-of-mariupol-idUKKCN2M801C