Tiberius Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 Bout time, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Was the Moskva carrying nuclear warheads when it sank? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10721351/Ukraine-war-Fears-Moskva-warship-carrying-nuclear-weapons-sank.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Bout time, Joe What an incredibly stupid and unnecessarily expensive photo op. Anything they need to talk about can be done by aids or through other, non personal contact. Almost a guarantee that some Russian offensive move will be made during this visit that will damage the Ukraine as a form of a Putin slap. Edited April 15, 2022 by sherpa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 42 minutes ago, sherpa said: What an incredibly stupid and unnecessarily expensive photo op. Anything they need to talk about can be done by aids or through other, non personal contact. At face value this does seem incredibly stupid. There certainly is more to it than just face value. The more I think about it, this is a move that shows superiority and dominance of our military over Russia. Showing vlad in a language he can understand, that it's over , go home, lick your wounds count your losses and call it a day. Even if Russia tries to nuke Kiev while great grandpa Joe is there, we probably have some missile defense technology that will turn their missile into puppy's and rainbow balloons or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: At face value this does seem incredibly stupid. There certainly is more to it than just face value. The more I think about it, this is a move that shows superiority and dominance of our military over Russia. Showing vlad in a language he can understand, that it's over , go home, lick your wounds count your losses and call it a day. Even if Russia tries to nuke Kiev while great grandpa Joe is there, we probably have some missile defense technology that will turn their missile into puppy's and rainbow balloons or something like that. We don't need to show him military superiority, and doing this wouldn't add anything that isn't obvious on a daily basis of their "performance." What he would probably do is some kind of relatively large strike during this photo op that would damage the Ukraine and kill scores of them for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, sherpa said: We don't need to show him military superiority, and doing this wouldn't add anything that isn't obvious on a daily basis of their "performance." What he would probably do is some kind of relatively large strike during this photo op that would damage the Ukraine and kill scores of them for no good reason. Well, we can agree on that this is a stupid move, but there has to be a strategic reason behind this, other than a photo op. Or even just trolling Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: Well, we can agree on that this is a stupid move, but there has to be a strategic reason behind this, other than a photo op. Or even just trolling Putin But it is Joe Biden we're talking about here. I would go with "stupid". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, TSOL said: Well, we can agree on that this is a stupid move, but there has to be a strategic reason behind this, other than a photo op. Or even just trolling Putin Ya. The strategic move involves the Nov mid terms. Joe want to hitch his wagon to Zelenskyy, Not necessary and a waste of money, and again, the Russians would probably do something special during this thing that would cost a lot of lives. Hopefully, it doesn't happen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 hours ago, sherpa said: What an incredibly stupid and unnecessarily expensive photo op. Anything they need to talk about can be done by aids or through other, non personal contact. Almost a guarantee that some Russian offensive move will be made during this visit that will damage the Ukraine as a form of a Putin slap. Oh quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Oh quiet Be glad to. If you give any indication that you have any idea about any of this, I'd be most pleased to not respond. Your weapon of the week club subscription isn't going to convince anyone. These are very complicated issues, and a serious discussion suggests one knows something about them, as well as putting periods at the end of sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Be glad to. If you give any indication that you have any idea about any of this, I'd be most pleased to not respond. Your weapon of the week club subscription isn't going to convince anyone. These are very complicated issues, and a serious discussion suggests one knows something about them, as well as putting periods at the end of sentences. Thanks for offering so many insightful posts here, Sherpa. I have learned a lot from you in this thread, and I appreciate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: Bout time, Joe Maybe They’ll keep sleepy joe? I could only hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Thanks for offering so many insightful posts here, Sherpa. I have learned a lot from you in this thread, and I appreciate it. Well thanks. I want to point out that unless this thing ends or is toned down soon, we are getting very close to being at war with the Russians. Using the number of times third party countries have provided weapons to their surrogates, this is getting close to direct conflict. Vietnam was a surrogate war. Korea a little less less so, but still. Since then, the Middle East with Yom Kippur and the Six Day War are direct evidence of surrogate confrontation. In my view, we are getting too close to direct confrontation, and Putin is near the end. Best to be prudent here, and as horrible as it might be, let the combatants work it out without our direct involvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: Oh quiet What they're going to declare war on Ukraine for realsies this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 Oh, that will show them! Biden better not go to Ukraine, he might get the same slap on the wrist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 So was it the weather and a fire that sank it or Ukraine? FCOL you can't believe anything you read anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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