Tiberius Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 15 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Yep I did. I'm so glad we're in this distraction I mean fight from I mean for Democracy or freedom or the thing. Whatever it is. Speaking of fights for Democracy.....the global racists aligned with your Democrat party didn't care about the brown people in Afghanistan. At least Putin army is getting destroyed. That’s a good thing. Were you upset with Trump abandoning the Kurds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: At least Putin army is getting destroyed. That’s a good thing. Were you upset with Trump abandoning the Kurds? Concluding Trump abandoned the Kruds is a simplistic conclusion to a very complex web of relationships. The U.S., Turkey, Russia, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, UAE, and the Kurds along with other groups all have both competing and common objectives that come into play at one time or another. These interests very from issue to issue or from situation to situation. As do the alliances between the parties. And U.S. policy from Trump to Biden hasn't changed much. I'm not very clear on what those policy objectives are at this point other than to keep this balancing act from boiling over into some wider conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: Concluding Trump abandoned the Kruds is a simplistic conclusion to a very complex web of relationships. The U.S., Turkey, Russia, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, UAE, and the Kurds along with other groups all have both competing and common objectives that come into play at one time or another. These interests very from issue to issue or from situation to situation. As do the alliances between the parties. And U.S. policy from Trump to Biden hasn't changed much. I'm not very clear on what those policy objectives are at this point other than to keep this balancing act from boiling over into some wider conflict. No, he just tossed them to the wolves. Our allies, he abandoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, he just tossed them to the wolves. Our allies, he abandoned Again - who the F does Putin think he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 Hope this is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, he just tossed them to the wolves. Our allies, he abandoned Like it or not the reality is it's not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Again - who the F does Putin think he is? Just on a side note, he had a 15 year old girl, an Olympian, filled with steroids. I hope we don’t let them back in the Olympics again either. He just uses up people 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Like it or not the reality is it's not that simple. I know, take a cut and dry issue and muddy the water. No, Trump abandoned them. 100k Kurds were forced to flee their homes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just on a side note, he had a 15 year old girl, an Olympian, filled with steroids. I hope we don’t let them back in the Olympics again either. He just uses up people I know, take a cut and dry issue and muddy the water. No, Trump abandoned them. 100k Kurds were forced to flee their homes Here we go again Tibs - like it or not the reality is it's not that simple - just like CRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Zelensky Responds to Joe Biden's 'Historic' NATO Speech in Less Than Flattering Terms Depending on who you listen to, you’ll get a completely different reaction to Joe Biden’s speech at NATO addressing the Russian invasion of Ukraine. His sycophants will tell you it was not only “historic,” but that it surpassed Ronald Reagan’s famous “tear down this wall” speech. And as to the massive gaffe at the end, well, at least Biden is mean to Putin or something; consequences for millions of innocent people need not apply. Obviously, those who aren’t as partial to the president weren’t nearly as impressed. I found the speech to be meandering and generic, long on talk and short on action. In response to the idea that it measured up to Ronald Reagan’s proclamation about the Berlin Wall, I’d suggest that we wouldn’t even remember that moment if the wall hadn’t been, you know, actually torn down. In short, words are cheap, and Biden is a top wholesaler. Anyone can get up and read a teleprompter, throw out some tough talk, and then head back to their Delaware beach house. The test of Biden’s speech is not whether it sounded good (and it really didn’t), but if it actually leads to anything tangible–and I wouldn’t count on that. But just in case anyone wants to accuse me of being a partisan for holding that opinion, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has responded to the speech, and it wasn’t positive. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/27/zelensky-responds-to-joe-bidens-historic-nato-speech-in-less-than-flattering-terms-n541623 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: At least Putin army is getting destroyed. That’s a good thing. Were you upset with Trump abandoning the Kurds? No. Trump's foreign policy didn't revolve around distracting the world from Covid 19 Looks like Russia never needed to be canceled nor did any of these supposed things Trump did to hurt Ukraine and help Russia actually happened. No need for the crisis actor President of Ukraine to be begging for help the world over Russia could have done this and just got completely destroyed irregardless That is what's happening correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OrangeBills Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 5:39 PM, BillStime said: Corrected by forced, cleansed or spat out - sounds a lot like the legislation in red states. Need an answer here generally, how do you ignore a poster? Having tried and getting frustrated. Looking for honest dialogue from real people with brains. Can't take this incessant stupid idiotic BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, OrangeBills said: Need an answer here generally, how do you ignore a poster? Having tried and getting frustrated. Looking for honest dialogue from real people with brains. Can't take this incessant stupid idiotic BS Instructions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 22 hours ago, Tiberius said: I know, take a cut and dry issue and muddy the water. No, Trump abandoned them. 100k Kurds were forced to flee their homes You just refuse to see the big picture when it comes to alliances and arrangements in the Middle East. Like it or not you need to take into account how actions related to the Kurds will impact relations with Turkey. A fellow NATO member which "grants" the U.S. access to their airspace and bases to run missions and host U.S. forces. Pronounce and commit to undying support for the Kurds as you desire and Erdogan would have told the U.S. to get out. That threat was clear. And most likely signaling to ISIS forces under his "protection" that U.S. interests can be legitimate targets. Or unleashing more migrants into Europe. Its a balancing act where the U.S. isn't in the position to dictate terms and conditions unilaterally. That black and white world you wish for doesn't exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You just refuse to see the big picture when it comes to alliances and arrangements in the Middle East. Like it or not you need to take into account how actions related to the Kurds will impact relations with Turkey. A fellow NATO member which "grants" the U.S. access to their airspace and bases to run missions and host U.S. forces. Pronounce and commit to undying support for the Kurds as you desire and Erdogan would have told the U.S. to get out. That threat was clear. And most likely signaling to ISIS forces under his "protection" that U.S. interests can be legitimate targets. Or unleashing more migrants into Europe. Its a balancing act where the U.S. isn't in the position to dictate terms and conditions unilaterally. That black and white world you wish for doesn't exist. Turkey needs us more than we need them. Trump allowing them to ethnic cleanse our friends was horrendous and a clear signal to Moscow that we wouldn't lift a finger to help our friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Turkey needs us more than we need them. Trump allowing them to ethnic cleanse our friends was horrendous and a clear signal to Moscow that we wouldn't lift a finger to help our friends LOL! Yeah, that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine until 2-1/2 years later and Joey was in office. Can you guys be intellectually honest, at least? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Turkey needs us more than we need them. Trump allowing them to ethnic cleanse our friends was horrendous and a clear signal to Moscow that we wouldn't lift a finger to help our friends So let me see if I can unknot your pretzel logic. Trump gave Putin the ‘signal’ and then Biden gave him the green light? Wonderful! Don’t hurt yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! Yeah, that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine until 2-1/2 years later and Joey was in office. Can you guys be intellectually honest, at least? When did he invade Chechnya? When did he invade Georgia? When did he attack Syria? Ya, but he was waiting for Biden? Oh brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Tiberius said: When did he invade Chechnya? When did he invade Georgia? When did he attack Syria? Ya, but he was waiting for Biden? Oh brother What are you talking about? None of those were under Trump. He wasn't waiting for Biden so much as he was waiting for Trump to be out of office. What part of that do you all not understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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