SoCal Deek Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Anyone ever play the game of Risk? This whole thing reminds me of when you try and take a little country and keep losing the dice roll time after time until you’ve expended all the armies you’d amassed on the border. You slink back to where you started and regroup. 2 1
Tenhigh Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Just now, sherpa said: I think he definitely thought this would be a short term military effort, and that is proven by food, fuel and clothing supplies to his attack force, as well as never fully employing his significant air capability. He might not want Russia to be perceived as weak, but that ship has sailed. I saw something today that if the status quo extends, the Russian economy will decline 50% year over year. If that happened anywhere else as the result of a voluntary military fiasco there would be blood in the streets. His invasion has exposed a number of things, and already resulted in domestic cracks evidenced by protests, house arrests of planners and firing significant leadership, as well as unification of NATO and tempting others to join. He is screwed, but because he has what he has in reserve, he must be provided a way out, unless there is some kind of internal military revolt. So we should now start attacking and ratcheting up the stakes? No fly zone? Drones of our own?
Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Hi-Larious. So now that that the Russian offensive to seize Mikolayiv/Odessa has failed, and Ukrainian counter attacks are rolling it, back. And now that the Russian offensive to seize Kyiv has failed, and Ukrainian counter attacks are rolling it back (and threatening to ***** ENCIRCLE Russian troops in a pocket around Bucha and Hostomel)... Tsar Vladimir the Insane has decided all this was just about "liberating" the Donbass, and Russia's going to focus on "liberating" the Donbass. When in doubt, move the goal posts. In other news, Ukraine's stated that the reason why they didn't believe our intelligence that an invasion was imminent, was because they had penetrated the Russian army and saw 0 evidence of preparation on the tactical level. So because Russian units were utterly unprepared for offensive operations, the Ukrainians thought we were overhyping a Russian bluff. That's why they didn't start mobilizing until 24 hours prior to the offensive starting. An interesting strategy "If we are completely unprepared for our invasion our enemy won't think we're going to invade." I mean it's not that it can't work but your military has to be capable enough. 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Anyone ever play the game of Risk? This whole thing reminds me of when you try and take a little country and keep losing the dice roll time after time until you’ve expended all the armies you’d amassed on the border. You slink back to where you started and regroup. I always hated when that would happen and your more elaborate attack plan is nullified by this one ####### who refuses to die. From a non boardgame perspective it would be pretty damn heroic though.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 18 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Putin isn't crazy. That characterization is marketing and messaging. He's a cold, calculating, ruthless, sociopath. But so are most of the people running policy in the U.S. neocon & neoliberal war machine. Guys like Lindsay Graham. He's been almost invisible for 5 years and suddenly when a war gets started, he awakens from his coffin to advocate for war and violence. When I watch what's going on here, I sometimes imagine how the world would look without leaders? After all, I've got no quarrel with the average working man and woman in Ukraine, or Russia. or China, or Iran, or anywhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. They likely feel the same way. It seems like it's the leaders that have problems with each other. Why not just let them do pistols at 12 paces and settle it without having the commit the lives and blood of the rest of us? Or just collectively decide to get rid of them all? I am with you 100%…. Unfortunately it seems the majority of society needs someone to tell them what to do. So the next thing is a very deliberate distribution of leadership power.
sherpa Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: So we should now start attacking and ratcheting up the stakes? No fly zone? Drones of our own? I really wish there was an acknowledgement of what has been US policy and proposed tactics. A no fly zone is an act of war. It involves US air capability engaged against Russian Air Forces, and under the umbrella of Russian SAM systems. We are going to shoot at them. They are going to shoot at us and them, 'cause they don't do adversary id as important. Drones? We either involve these little kamikaze drones or we use our more capably platforms, which are extremely limited numbers. We would never allow Ukrainians to operate them, and operating our capable drones is really complicated, and again, an act of war. Patriot missile batteries? Again, it takes US forces to operate them. Once again, against the stated policy of not getting US troops involved in this. There seems to be a view from some folks that you simply give stuff to the Ukraine and they operate them, although it takes years of training and huge support to operate these things efficiently.
Tenhigh Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) Just now, sherpa said: I really wish there was an acknowledgement of what has been US policy and proposed tactics. A no fly zone is an act of war. It involves US air capability engaged against Russian Air Forces, and under the umbrella of Russian SAM systems. We are going to shoot at them. They are going to shoot at us and them, 'cause they don't do adversary id as important. Drones? We either involve these little kamikaze drones or we use our more capably platforms, which are extremely limited numbers. We would never allow Ukrainians to operate them, and operating our capable drones is really complicated, and again, an act of war. Patriot missile batteries? Again, it takes US forces to operate them. Once again, against the stated policy of not getting US troops involved in this. There seems to be a view from some folks that you simply give stuff to the Ukraine and they operate them, although it takes years of training and huge support to operate these things efficiently. I know, I was just being an @$$hole. Edited March 25, 2022 by Tenhigh
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think he definitely thought this would be a short term military effort, and that is proven by food, fuel and clothing supplies to his attack force, as well as never fully employing his significant air capability. He might not want Russia to be perceived as weak, but that ship has sailed. I saw something today that if the status quo extends, the Russian economy will decline 50% year over year. If that happened anywhere else as the result of a voluntary military fiasco there would be blood in the streets. His invasion has exposed a number of things, and already resulted in domestic cracks evidenced by protests, house arrests of planners and firing significant leadership, as well as unification of NATO and tempting others to join. He is screwed, but because he has what he has in reserve, he must be provided a way out, unless there is some kind of internal military revolt. I'd completely agree with you, had Putin not stated plainly that his goal is to reunite the Russian Empire, including the NATO countries. That moment was when he stopped be a cool customer and turned into Tsar Vladimir the Insane. You don't tell your enemies your plans if you think there's a chance they can stop you, or you're nuts.
sherpa Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I'd completely agree with you, had Putin not stated plainly that his goal is to reunite the Russian Empire, including the NATO countries. That moment was when he stopped be a cool customer and turned into Tsar Vladimir the Insane. You don't tell your enemies your plans if you think there's a chance they can stop you, or you're nuts. What Putin may have thought a couple months ago has been demolished. He has become an international pariah, completely by his own doing, and it is getting worse internationally and domestically with every day.
B-Man Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 Did Russia just give up on seizing Kiev? https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/25/did-russia-just-give-up-on-seizing-kiev-n458020
Tiberius Posted March 25, 2022 Author Posted March 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: Did Russia just give up on seizing Kiev? https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/25/did-russia-just-give-up-on-seizing-kiev-n458020 Looks like they had that choice forced upon them. This next month is going to be very different from the last month
Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, B-Man said: Did Russia just give up on seizing Kiev? https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/25/did-russia-just-give-up-on-seizing-kiev-n458020
Warcodered Posted March 25, 2022 Posted March 25, 2022 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/russian-troops-killed-their-own-commander_uk_623dc61de4b0bcc5b4784bf8 Putin:
Motorin' Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Did Russia just give up on seizing Kiev? https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/03/25/did-russia-just-give-up-on-seizing-kiev-n458020 I think Putin declared victory today in an address to the Russian people, or at least that the first phase has been successfully accomplished. Whatever that means. And now they are proceeding to the main objective, defending Dunbas. So basically retreating to Eastern Ukraine after their assault on Kyiv has failed.
Tiberius Posted March 26, 2022 Author Posted March 26, 2022 Interesting article on the drone war in Ukraine https://spectrum.ieee.org/ukraine-drone-war#toggle-gdpr The upshot is that on offense, the Ukrainian and Russian militaries are closely matched in the drone war. The difference is on defense: Ukraine has the advantage when it comes to counter-drone technology. A decade ago, counter-drone technology mostly meant using radar to detect drones and surface-to-air missiles to shoot them down. It quickly proved far too costly and ineffective. Drone technology advanced at a brisk pace over the past decade, so counter-drone technology had to move rapidly to keep up. In Russia, it didn’t. Here, again, the Russian military was hampered by technology embargoes and a domestic industrial base that has been somewhat stagnant and lacking in critical capabilities. For contrast, the combined industrial base of the countries supporting Ukraine in this war is massive and has invested heavily in counter-drone technology.
Doc Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 Wouldn't have been a war if the "clown" was still in office, so there's that...
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Wouldn't have been a war if the "clown" was still in office, so there's that... Probably not, and we'd have gone on eating up Russia's bluffs. Their military is a thin coat of super modern equipment, on top of a mountain of ***** run by poorly trained, poorly led, poorly motivated soldiers. But all Trump saw was "Tough Guy" Putin and the fancy gear they hauled out for military parades, and was very, very impressed. Just like he was supposed to be. Trump got took by a "Very Savvy" guy. Of course, now we know that Tsar Vladimir the Insane has no clothes, no thanks to Trump...
Tiberius Posted March 26, 2022 Author Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Wouldn't have been a war if the "clown" was still in office, so there's that... Really? Love how you guys throw out "facts" like that. Why would you say that, anyway? You think Putin respects Trump, so he wouldn't do his genius move? Remember it was Trump who held up weapons for Ukraine for a favor. Disgraceful! Hong Kong was lost on Trump's watch.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 22 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Anyone ever play the game of Risk? This whole thing reminds me of when you try and take a little country and keep losing the dice roll time after time until you’ve expended all the armies you’d amassed on the border. You slink back to where you started and regroup. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10642413/amp/Putins-15th-commander-killed-Ukrainian-forces-say-worst-deaths-brass-WWII.html
sherpa Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Hong Kong was lost on Trump's watch. I thought Hong Kong was turned over to China by the British in 1997.
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