Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Westside]

Just now, Tiberius said:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/russian-troop-losses-in-ukraine-continue-to-mount-14-000

 

14,000? If that's true it's no wonder Putin is trying to get Syrians to fight 

Go change your diaper 

Go out yours back on your face

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

Go out yours back on your face

Poor frustrated little fascist. Putin's war going bad and you are upset 

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Poor frustrated little fascist. Putin's war going bad and you are upset 

Lol

You’re a one trick pony. 

[sherpa]

26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Peace through superior firepower 

 

Always sounds attractive.

The problem is that when you realize that a lot of "stuff" sold to relatively unreliable govs ends up in the hands of very bad people, and the market for those type of things is really avtive. 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Always sounds attractive.

The problem is that when you realize that a lot of "stuff" sold to relatively unreliable govs ends up in the hands of very bad people, and the market for those type of things is really avtive. 

As long as there rulers like Putin out there, we will need new and improved weapon systems to confront them 

[sherpa]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

As long as there rulers like Putin out there, we will need new and improved weapon systems to confront them 

 

I'm kind of up to speed on at least the air and air delivered stuff, and we've got very interesting "new and improved" systems, and are working on even cooler stuff, like drone wingmen.

 

What is important is that we prevent them from getting into the wrong hands, something that was incredibly poorly handled when we quit Afghanistan.

Ultimately that stuff ends up in the middle east somewhere.

[B-Man]

 

 

10 Realities of Ukraine

by Victor Davis Hanson

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/17/10_realities_of_ukraine_147345.html

 

One -- Reassuring an enemy what one will not do ensures that the enemy will do just that and more. Unpredictability and occasional enigmatic silence bolster deterrence. But President Joe Biden's predictable reassurance to Russian President Vladimir Putin that he will show restraint means Putin likely will not.

 

Two -- No-fly zones don't work in a big-power, symmetrical standoff. In a cost-benefit analysis, they are not worth the risk of shooting down the planes of a nuclear power. They usually do little to stop planes outside of such zones shooting missiles into them. Sending long-range, high-altitude anti-aircraft batteries to Ukraine to deny Russian air superiority is a far better way

 

 

 

Well worth taking the time to read.

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

10 Realities of Ukraine

by Victor Davis Hanson

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/17/10_realities_of_ukraine_147345.html

 

One -- Reassuring an enemy what one will not do ensures that the enemy will do just that and more. Unpredictability and occasional enigmatic silence bolster deterrence. But President Joe Biden's predictable reassurance to Russian President Vladimir Putin that he will show restraint means Putin likely will not.

 

Two -- No-fly zones don't work in a big-power, symmetrical standoff. In a cost-benefit analysis, they are not worth the risk of shooting down the planes of a nuclear power. They usually do little to stop planes outside of such zones shooting missiles into them. Sending long-range, high-altitude anti-aircraft batteries to Ukraine to deny Russian air superiority is a far better way

 

 

 

Well worth taking the time to read.

 

 

I find the argument that if we were stilled bogged down in Afghanistan Put8n would not have invaded just pure spin. Putin’s been doing wars for decades now. This guy is just a spin Doctor 

[John Adams]

 

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

That’s a lot of “lone” votes. 🙄

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

As long as there rulers like Putin out there, we will need new and improved weapon systems to confront them 

Keep pushing those weapons Tibs! You’ll be able to retire in style. 👍

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Keep pushing those weapons Tibs! You’ll be able to retire in style. 👍

Keep making it personal, because that’s all you got. Make sh it up about people on a message board woo hoo 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Keep making it personal, because that’s all you got. Make sh it up about people on a message board woo hoo 

Hitting a tad close to home? 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hitting a tad close to home? 

Making stuff up? 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Making stuff up? 

You’re on here night and day since the invasion blathering on and on about every sort of weapons system and you didn’t think EVERYONE on here noticed? Really now? Oh brother. 

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

You’re on here night and day since the invasion blathering on and on about every sort of weapons system and you didn’t think EVERYONE on here noticed? Really now? Oh brother. 

That gives you a right to make things up, ok, so what. Keep lying 

[Tiberius]

Ukraine claiming they have thrown back the Russian advance on Kyiv! Like 50 miles! Big deal if true 

 

But China might be sending Putin/trash military assistance. Boo! 

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

That gives you a right to make things up, ok, so what. Keep lying 

What gives you the right to call people putin supporters, racists, nazis and whatever else you called us?  If you're going to dish it out, you better be prepared to take it.

[Tiberius]

7 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

Putin’s people 

[Tiberius]

If true, the Ukrainians are pushing back pretty hard 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-counteroffensive-russian-troops-us-switchblade-kamikaze-drones-1525145