Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Or maybe they think they just cancel Russia by not letting them play international hockey tournaments. ah, the good ole days when we were proud to be Americans, beat the Russians and recognized our enemies. We were great then. ... Edited March 1 by Joe Ferguson forever
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Homelander said: The solution is painfully obvious: Putin, get the hell out. Trump trashes Zelenskyy while singing Putin’s praises. It’s impossible to take MAGA seriously when they won’t even admit Trump is Putin’s lapdog. Lastly, Trump’s track record on “world peace” is abysmal; just take a hard look at the chaos in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Great post. Offer no actual solution to end the war and just spout your tds nonsense. Ukraine and Europe cannot force putin out. 1 2
Big Blitz Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Homelander said: The solution is painfully obvious: Putin, get the hell out. Trump trashes Zelenskyy while singing Putin’s praises. It’s impossible to take MAGA seriously when they won’t even admit Trump is Putin’s lapdog. Lastly, Trump’s track record on “world peace” is abysmal; just take a hard look at the chaos in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Who led that Afghan withdrawal again? Who were the President’s in office when the failed state of money laundering was invaded by Russia? Just say it losers. You want American troops in Ukraine. JD correctly said yesterday clearly nothing you did with Biden worked - you don’t have your failed state Hillary meddled in without us - so we need a different approach.” ”oh no hold on JD…..there is no dealing with Putin.” Ok. Good luck then.
Homelander Posted March 1 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Who led that Afghan withdrawal again? Oh, you’re surprised the Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess after Trump gift wrapped the country for the Taliban? Truly groundbreaking stuff. 1 1
SCBills Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Just now, Homelander said: The solution is painfully obvious: Putin, get the hell out. Trump trashes Zelenskyy while singing Putin’s praises. It’s impossible to take MAGA seriously when they won’t even admit Trump is Putin’s lapdog. Lastly, Trump’s track record on “world peace” is abysmal; just take a hard look at the chaos in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Everything about this post is wild. Im convinced you’re not a real person at this point. A) That’s not a solution / you sound like a child. B) Trump is the only President of my lifetime with no new wars breaking out during his Presidency and in the Middle East, he literally had the Abraham Accords. What chaos did we have under Trump 45 in the Middle East? It was as calm as it could possibly be, and then Biden came in, bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal and October 7th happened under his watch.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1 Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Who led that Afghan withdrawal again? Who were the President’s in office when the failed state of money laundering was invaded by Russia? Just say it losers. You want American troops in Ukraine. JD correctly said yesterday clearly nothing you did with Biden worked - you don’t have your failed state Hillary meddled in without us - so we need a different approach.” ”oh no hold on JD…..there is no dealing with Putin.” Ok. Good luck then. no, at this point I want America out of it. trump slithers away. Europe gains power and prestige by brokering and enforcing a truce. And we get a new congress in less than 2 years and a new president in 4. 1 2
B-Man Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Everyone who wants to comment on today has to watch this entire tape and hopefully realize that at approximately the 38 minute mark President Zelensky asks a question of Vice President Vance which isn’t really a question. (My guess is that someone gave President Zelensky really terrible advice to not fight with President Trump in public but that he could score on the VP because the VP couldn’t respond. Wrong.) President Trump had been almost indulgent of President Zelensky for 38 minutes, trying to get to the post-presser meeting with a path forward to a ceasefire intact, aware that he has to deal with Putin afterwards as well. A couple of times President Zelensky dances on the cliff (especially with the pictures which someone who doesn’t know this business told him would be an excellent stunt and wasn’t) and President Trump steers it back to a path to the post-presser meeting. But then President Zelensky puts the VP on the spot and it escalated. Then President Zelensky tells President Trump how the United States would feel, and you can see our president give into a (justified) rising anger at President Zelensky’s approach and rhetoric, as did the VP. I have long supported Ukraine and still do. President Zelensky’s conduct has been heroic. But he is used to President Biden, Secretary Blinken and NSA Sullivan who did not have a plan or a purpose other than “de-escalation” which they assumed would stop escalation from Russia —which did not happen— and for whom every decision was agony. President Zelensky also did not remember that Ukraine didn’t lose the war (that President Biden told Putin would be fine if it was a “minor incursion”) because of weapons President Trump had sent in his first term. I don’t know how this gets back on track. I don’t know if the warrior Zelensky can actually make a deal. Putin has kidnapped tens of thousands of children, murdered thousands of his people and tens of thousands of his soldiers. Putin has committed war crimes. All of that is true. It is also true that Putin has thousands of nukes and NORKs. President Trump has a plan. He wasn’t in charge when Putin invaded Ukraine the first time or the second time. All President Trump can do is try and bring about a stable and enduring peace and get Ukraine enmeshed with Europe and the U.S. while also dealing with Putin. Nixon dealt with the worst murderer of the 20th century when he sat down with Mao. Reality is what it is. Presidents of the United States have to deal with whatever mess their predecessor leaves them. I’ll repeat what I said on the program today: President Zelensky should call all of his strongest supporters w/i the Senate GOP and genuinely seek advice. And dismiss those who have been “advising” him for the past six weeks. Very publicly. 1
SCBills Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Homelander said: Oh, you’re surprised the Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess after Trump gift wrapped the country for the Taliban? Truly groundbreaking stuff. What is it you want? Because it sounds like you want a never-ending American occupation of Afghanistan and US troops on the ground in Ukraine. You’re basically a simple minded war hawk that lacks debate skills and only has the bandwidth to continually repeat one of two points made on Nicolle Wallace’s show. 2 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 1 Posted March 1 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: What is it you want? Because it sounds like you want a never-ending American occupation of Afghanistan and US troops on the ground in Ukraine. You’re basically a simple minded war hawk that lacks debate skills and only has the bandwidth to continually repeat one of two points made on Nicolle Wallace’s show. Damn, evisceration on a Saturday morning? 3 1
aristocrat Posted March 1 Posted March 1 15 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: ah, the good ole days when we were proud to be Americans, beat the Russians and recognized our enemies. We were great then. ... Are you saying we should play a us vs Russia hockey game for Ukraine? Neat idea
Big Blitz Posted March 1 Posted March 1 11 minutes ago, Homelander said: Oh, you’re surprised the Afghanistan withdrawal was a mess after Trump gift wrapped the country for the Taliban? Truly groundbreaking stuff. Libs think history began in 2017. I’m now convinced of this. 1
Homelander Posted March 1 Posted March 1 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: A) That’s not a solution / you sound like a child. You keep begging for a solution, and when you get one, you throw a tantrum because it’s not what you wanted. 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: B) Trump is the only President of my lifetime with no new wars breaking out during his Presidency and in the Middle East, he literally had the Abraham Accords. No wars? Let’s talk Syria in 2017, troop deployments in Yemen, doubling forces against ISIS. Or the Soleimani strike that brought Iranian missiles and left US troops with brain injuries Trump called headaches. No new wars, unless you count betraying allies and turning on Americans. Déjà vu, much? 17 minutes ago, SCBills said: What chaos did we have under Trump 45 in the Middle East? It was as calm as it could possibly be, and then Biden came in, bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal and October 7th happened under his watch. The handoff started with Trump when he negotiated the Doha Agreement in February 2020, which set the terms for the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. This deal excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 Taliban prisoners, and reduced U.S. troop levels from 13,000 to 2,500, even as the Taliban continued attacks. 1
B-Man Posted March 1 Posted March 1 The Most Important Thing That the Zelenskyy Meeting Showed to Me David Strom It has nothing to do with Zelenskyy. His behavior--and more importantly, the elite's freakout and SIDING with Zelenskyy--laid bare the divide between ordinary Americans (and many frustrated Europeans who are getting a boot stomped on their face by the elites) and the transnational elite. If you believe that the transnational elite should rule the world and everybody else should meekly follow their diktats, you thought Zelenskyy was a brave truth-teller who was rightfully chastising the Bad Orange President and his Appalachian Yokel the reality of how things are supposed to work. If you are an ordinary person, you saw an ungrateful, arrogant, whiny child-man who has been gifted unGodly amounts of money and support insulting the President of the United States in the Oval Office in front of the world after the president graciously praised him and promised him support. "It's not enough! I deserve more! You don't understand!" Yes, Zelenskyy tried to school the president and the Vice President, change the deal they had made in private, on our turf and in public. He lectured and shouted at the President of the United States in front of the world, and now says he did nothing wrong. And nearly every European leader rushed to support Zelenskyy's behavior. Europe is deindustrializing--choosing to become actually poorer and more dependent--and lectures us about how we don't do enough for them. The average EU citizen is now poorer than the average Mississippian, but if you mentioned Mississippi to any of them they would laugh at them as rubes. They laugh at all of us as rubes, and then demand we defend them. Germany cannot put 20 fighter jets in the air. Its tanks are falling apart. No European country could defend its own borders, no less push back Russia. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/03/01/the-most-important-thing-that-the-zelenskyy-meeting-showed-to-me-n3800320 1
4th&long Posted March 1 Posted March 1 47 minutes ago, SCBills said: Ok, well, he won’t. So, how would you like us to accomplish this? Still haven’t seen any specifics, aside from one poster that acknowledges Ukraine will have to make land sacrifices in a peace deal, even if not fair. Ukraine is not just going to surrender so how do you want to accomplish peace? They are not trump, they are not afraid of Putin and Russia, they ate not going to nursery pull down their pants for him!
Pokebball Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 minute ago, 4th&long said: Ukraine is not just going to surrender so how do you want to accomplish peace? They are not trump, they are not afraid of Putin and Russia, they ate not going to nursery pull down their pants for him! Zelensky handed Putin an advantage in these negotiations. He wasn't smart 2
4th&long Posted March 1 Posted March 1 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Zelensky handed Putin an advantage in these negotiations. He wasn't smart No doubt he should not have joined in that ***** show with Trump and Vance. Big mistake. But that doesn't mean he is going to surrender to Putin. You guys love that commie., good for you. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-44824858 This is how your orange Jesus is viewed around the world. Edited March 1 by 4th&long 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1 Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Zelensky handed Putin an advantage in these negotiations. He wasn't smart Agreed. He shouldn't have let himself get baited. Easier said than done when 2 conmen who have never been near a war ,let alone involved in one, tell him how he must proceed. But as it happened, the true colors of the current American executive branch were revealed. They're red. 14 minutes ago, B-Man said: you thought Zelenskyy was a brave truth-teller who was rightfully chastising the Bad Orange President and his Appalachian Yokel the reality of how things are supposed to work. this part is true
Orlando Buffalo Posted March 1 Posted March 1 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Everything about this post is wild. Im convinced you’re not a real person at this point. A) That’s not a solution / you sound like a child. B) Trump is the only President of my lifetime with no new wars breaking out during his Presidency and in the Middle East, he literally had the Abraham Accords. What chaos did we have under Trump 45 in the Middle East? It was as calm as it could possibly be, and then Biden came in, bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal and October 7th happened under his watch. Homelander is a bot- feed a question into AI and you get back almost word for word what he says 1
B-Man Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Zelenskyy Did More Damage to Ukraine's Cause Than Russia Ever Could Joe Cunningham The Russians are open to peace because Putin knows they have used more resources than expected - a lot more - in trying to take the country. And, I suspect, they are worried that their support from China might dry up because of all the resources they have used to make what amounts to little gain in Ukraine. So while everyone is accusing President Donald Trump of bowing to Putin's whims, the truth is a bit more complex. It's not that peace would give Putin what he wants in Ukraine, but it allows Putin to save face. What happened in the Oval Office yesterday was a boon for Putin. That's not really in question. It's less about how Trump "helped" Putin and more about how Volodymyr Zelenskyy helped Putin. My position has remained fairly consistent throughout all this: The more resources Russia throws at Ukraine without making any real gains, the less resources they have to use against other American interests. Russia weakening itself is a good thing. And with China maintaining "no limits" support of Russia, China is throwing resources at Russia to prop them up. So, this war is burning through Russian and Chinese resources. The more they waste on Ukraine, the less they have elsewhere. It's not enough to completely stop China from, say, going after Taiwan, but it does help. Truth be told, I want Russia distracted with Putin's ambition to rebuild Soviet-era borders. I want us to help Russia stay distracted not with our boots on the ground but American weapons. If Russia wants out, which it seems like they do given Putin's previous stances on taking Ukraine, then it means Russia is struggling more than they're willing to admit. Now, the flipside of that is that war means more Ukrainian lives lost, which is not good for Ukraine. Russia has a lot more bodies to throw at Ukraine than the other way around, which is another reason American weapons have been good for Ukraine. It's incredibly likely more lives would have been lost without them, and they've been more effective at hurting Russia's military. The problem is that if Ukraine wanted more American support, Zelenskyy showed he has a deep misunderstanding of how to approach a leader like Trump. There are hours worth of videos and transcripts of people who decided to get into a loud argument with Trump in front of cameras. Every single time, it never actually ends well for the person getting into a shouting match. You'll note that even in the debate people say Kalama Harris won against Trump, it did nothing to help her win. If Zelenskyy felt that his usual performance of playing the passionate, angry victim in front of cameras would work, and that that derailing public press event with Trump was a good idea, then it shows he's not really the great leader everyone has praised him of being. I don't much care for some of Trump's comments toward Zelenskyy in the past, but the latter made a massive mistake on Friday, and his subsequent thread on X didn't help matters at all. What you're going to see is the media rush out a bunch of polls showing Americans support Ukraine and that moderate Americans and a handful of Republicans think Trump looked worse in that exchange. But there were over 40 minutes of Zelenskyy being nothing short of an ass to Trump and feeling entitled to support. That is not diplomacy, either, and it's lost in the outrage generated over the much shorter exchange. That entire press event did more damage to Ukraine's cause than anything Putin could have done. In the wake of the event, three things happened: Zelenskyy (probably) cost himself any meaningful assistance from the U.S. for at least four years. Europe shared strong words on social media and nothing else, exposing itself as useless in the face of Russia. The entire foreign policy establishment shuddered, realizing the guy they've been praising as a strong leader is a child. And when I say "the entire foreign policy establishment," I don't mean the liberal foreign policy folks who have been on the wrong side of every issue for at least 40 years. They are normally the loudest voices, and it seems like today they are the most silent. https://redstate.com/joesquire/2025/03/01/zelenskyy-did-more-damage-to-ukraines-cause-than-russia-ever-could-n2186157 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1 Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, B-Man said: The entire foreign policy establishment shuddered, realizing the guy they've been praising as a strong leader is a Russian puppet FIFY
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