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11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

It was the Ukrainians murdering ethnic Russians in the border  regions that helped spark the war. 

 

You can at least admit that, right? 

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin/putin-repeats-long-running-claim-genocide-ukraine/

 

you need to stop listening to ole tuck.  word is, vlad has a pee tape on him.

 

Comrade, please cite your evidence for this genocide.  here's some more against it

 

 

During the build-up to its invasion of Ukraine, Russia falsely accused Ukraine of genocide against Russian speakers in the Donbas region. Ukraine fought a war against Russian proxy forces in the Donbas War from 2014 to 2022. Russia's president Vladimir Putin used this claim of genocide to justify the invasion of Ukraine. There is no evidence to support the allegation and it has been widely rejected.[1]

Following the invasion, Ukraine brought a case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to challenge Russia's accusation. During the proceedings of Ukraine v. Russian Federation, the ICJ said it had found no evidence of genocide. The International Association of Genocide Scholars also rejected Russia's accusation.[2] Further reports by 30 legal and genocide scholars warned that Russia's accusations are part of the "accusation in a mirror" technique, ultimately revealing the Russian incitement to commit genocide against Ukrainians.[3]

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35 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/vladimir-putin/putin-repeats-long-running-claim-genocide-ukraine/

 

you need to stop listening to ole tuck.  word is, vlad has a pee tape on him.

 

Ok Hillary, how much did you pay for that tape rumor?

 

FYI, I didn't use the word genocide. There were about 4,000 civilians killed from 2014-2022 in the border regions. There's plenty of documentation of Ukraine's military attacking and killing ethnic Russians. 

 

The difference between us is that I don't feel need to make one side all good and the other side all bad.

 

Russia has done terrible *****. And to think Obama, Hillary and Biden thought it would be a net positive for the world to go to war with them...

 

Or was it just a net positive for their pocket books? 

 

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2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

FYI, I didn't use the word genocide. There were about 4,000 civilians killed from 2014-2022 in the border regions. There's plenty of documentation of Ukraine's military attacking and killing ethnic Russians. 

 

The difference between us is that I don't feel need to make one side all good and the other side all bad.

murder during war= genocide.  It was war.  ukraine engaged in neither murder nor genocide despite what war criminal putin said.

 

Altogether, about 14,300 people were killed in the Donbas War, both soldiers and civilians. According to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, 6,500 were Russian proxy forces, 4,400 were Ukrainian forces, and 3,404 were civilians on both sides of the frontline.[4] The vast majority of civilian deaths were in the first year,[4] and the death rate in the Donbas War was actually falling before the 2022 Russian invasion:[5] in 2019 there were 27 conflict-related civilian deaths, in 2020 there were 26 deaths, and in 2021 there were 25 deaths, over half of them from mines and unexploded ordnance.[4]

 

re relativism, I've been trying to get you magas to think in shades of gray since I started posting.  Good to see some ROI.

 

 

53 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin said he is open to offering the US access to rare minerals, including from Russian-occupied Ukraine.

that's mighty nice of him.  giving away something he stole.  maybe robert kraft can get back his super bowl ring.

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2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

murder during war= genocide.  It was war.  ukraine engaged in neither muder or genocide despite what war criminal putin said.

 

Altogether, about 14,300 people were killed in the Donbas War, both soldiers and civilians. According to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, 6,500 were Russian proxy forces, 4,400 were Ukrainian forces, and 3,404 were civilians on both sides of the frontline.[4] The vast majority of civilian deaths were in the first year,[4] and the death rate in the Donbas War was actually falling before the 2022 Russian invasion:[5] in 2019 there were 27 conflict-related civilian deaths, in 2020 there were 26 deaths, and in 2021 there were 25 deaths, over half of them from mines and unexploded ordnance.[4]

 

re relativism, I've been trying to get you magas to think in shades of gray since I started posting.  Good to see some ROI.

 

 

that's mighty nice of him.  giving away something he stole.  maybe robert kraft can get back his super bowl ring.

Still circling the drain I see.

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21 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Talk about Nazi rhetoric. 

Talk about Commie rhetoric. 

35 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Still circling the drain I see.

Commie lover. 

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32 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

dude, you were flushed long ago.  genetics matter.

Do I have the wrong color eyes, hitler?

23 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Talk about Nazi rhetoric. 

He's trying to join a new hiking group! Give him a break!

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2 hours ago, 4th&long said:

Talk about Commie rhetoric. 

Commie lover. 

Yes, the irony of progressives being called commies for years by MAGAs, and their orange god jumps into bed with ex KGB almost immediately after becoming president.   Then the disciples disseminate Russian propaganda. 

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1 hour ago, Wacka said:

Just listen for the singing of "Knapsack o my Back" or Eidelweiss.

Or look for school kids carrying Nazi propaganda home. This shite never happens…

https://www.wfsb.com/2024/10/11/neo-nazi-flyers-found-around-town-passed-first-grader-school-bus/

 

https://www.tmj4.com/news/waukesha-county/its-disgusting-mukwonago-residents-find-neo-nazi-flyers-in-their-neighborhood

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20 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Yes, the irony of progressives being called commies for years by MAGAs, and their orange god jumps into bed with ex KGB almost immediately after becoming president.   Then the disciples disseminate Russian propaganda. 

 

Tries to stop WWIII  = jumps into bed (in Hillary's world.)

 

The problem is your delusional world view is held together by virtue signals, where through the power of headlines repeated ad nauseum you think you can defeat the world's largest nuclear power. 

 

Back to reality, Trump has been saying for ten years that European needs to pony up for its own defense. Look what he's motivated them to do. Starmer said today that in another two or three years the UK might actually meet the NATO requirement for defense spending!

 

Yet Europe still pays Russia more for natural gas than they have funded Ukraine's war effort. 

 

Meanwhile a Dane with TDS told the EU that that Europe should go to war with the US and make the Euro the world's reserve currency. 

 

Talk about liberal delusion at work! 

 

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2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Tries to stop WWIII  = jumps into bed (in Hillary's world.)

 

The problem is your delusional world view is held together by virtue signals, where through the power of headlines repeated ad nauseum you think you can defeat the world's largest nuclear power. 

 

Back to reality, Trump has been saying for ten years that European needs to pony up for its own defense. Look what he's motivated them to do. Starmer said today that in another two or three years the UK might actually meet the NATO requirement for defense spending!

 

Yet Europe still pays Russia more for natural gas than they have funded Ukraine's war effort. 

 

Meanwhile a Dane with TDS told the EU that that Europe should go to war with the US and make the Euro the world's reserve currency. 

 

Talk about liberal delusion at work! 

 

Delusion is defending trump’s statements on Ukraine being the aggressor and believing that peace negotiations with Russia but without Ukraine are appropriate.  Trump has chosen Russia over Ukraine and Europe.  Finding that disgusting is not virtue signaling, it’s logical. Throwing trusted allies overboard while embracing the world’s least trustworthy leader is illogical and irresponsible. 
 

Same as your comments on the Ukrainians murdering Russians to provoke their invasion. Repeating Russian media lies doesn’t make them true. 

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1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Delusion is defending trump’s statements on Ukraine being the aggressor and believing that peace negotiations with Russia but without Ukraine are appropriate.  Trump has chosen Russia over Ukraine and Europe.  Finding that disgusting is not virtue signaling, it’s logical. Throwing trusted allies overboard while embracing the world’s least trustworthy leader is illogical and irresponsible. 
 

Same as your comments on the Ukrainians murdering Russians to provoke their invasion. Repeating Russian media lies doesn’t make them true. 

 

Comrade Trump strikes again! 

 

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-ukraine-us-reach-agreement-on-minerals-deal/

 

FYI, I didn't say Ukraine was all to blame. I said they had a part in it. As did the Obama and Biden admins. 

 

The thing about truth and accountability is that each side must be weighed for its own actions. 

 

But you are on the one sided propaganda train. 

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40 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Or look for school kids carrying Nazi propaganda home. This shite never happens…

https://www.wfsb.com/2024/10/11/neo-nazi-flyers-found-around-town-passed-first-grader-school-bus/

 

https://www.tmj4.com/news/waukesha-county/its-disgusting-mukwonago-residents-find-neo-nazi-flyers-in-their-neighborhood

I feel like this may have been you, (to paraphrase the great Anne Murray) trying turn your lies back into truths again....  😮

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