Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Doc]

Just now, Roundybout said:

So Zelensky says he will step down as president of Ukraine in exchange for NATO membership. 

 

That's weird, all the right-wing agitators that get posted here informed me that he was a dictator! 

 

An empty promise.  He's not the reason Putin doesn't want Ukraine in NATO. 

[4th&long]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

An empty promise.  He's not the reason Putin doesn't want Ukraine in NATO. 

And what concession has Putin actually made for the war he stated? Did the master negotiator get even one? The party of Regan has become the party of Putin. You must be so proud. 

Edited Sunday at 06:44 PM by 4th&long

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

And what concession has Putin actually made for the war he stated? Did the matter negotiator get even one? The party of Regan has become the party of Putin. You must be so proud. 

 

Who cares?  The sooner we stop funding this endless war the better.

[4th&long]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Who cares?  The sooner we stop funding this endless war the better.

Everyone except you trump dick suckers. 

How does it fell to have your party run by Putin? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. 

Edited Sunday at 06:59 PM by 4th&long

[Pokebball]

4 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Everyone except you trump dick suckers. 

How rows it fell to have your party run by Putin? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. 

this really is so stupid

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Who cares?  The sooner we stop funding this endless war the better.

Right, the sooner we allow Putin to murder more Ukranians the better, huh? \

[Motorin']

19 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Right, the sooner we allow Putin to murder more Ukranians the better, huh? \

 

The sooner the war ends the sooner Ukrainian stop being murdered, hello?

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

13 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The sooner the war ends the sooner Ukrainian stop being murdered, hello?

 

That's so stupid 

 

You trust murderous Putin to ever stop. 

 

You are ignorant

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Too drunk to remember, what a complete POS

 

Just like trying to get MAGA to admit Putin is a murderous war criminal\

 

 

 

 

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Oh, MAGA scum says its to save lives, while they cut off food and medical aid to millions and laugh ...garbage people 

 

 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

That's so stupid 

 

You trust murderous Putin to ever stop. 

 

You are ignorant

 

It sounds like you're spewing Russian propaganda. Putin never what's the war to end, so you demand the war never ends.

 

Way to be Putin's lapdog without even realizing it. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Pokebball said:

this really is so stupid

 

Are you surprised?

 

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

The sooner the war ends the sooner Ukrainian stop being murdered, hello?

 

You wouldn't think this would be so hard to understand, amirite?

[B-Man]

 

 

Theories of Ukraine support which have completely fallen flat:

 

1. Protect ‘democracy’ (lol)

 

2. Weaken Russia/Putin - Putin has more of an ironclad grip than ever. The Russian economy has sanction proofed itself completely and their          war production has boomed since the war began

 

3. To ‘deter’ China - Russia instead has become a Chinese vassal and the Chinese government got a free lesson on how to sanction proof their economy and on how to combat NATO weaponry. Also, weapons that would have been valuable for Taiwan were shipped to Ukraine instead all while depleting US stockpiles and making us less secure

 

4. Fortify NATO/Europe- Europe has proven itself unable to meet even modest arms production goals, it has become dramatically poorer after shifting off Russian gas, it faces populist revolts and today can't even guarantee a peacekeeping force in Ukraine of 30k without the US footing the bill and providing all their intelligence support

 

 

[Roundybout]

Ronald Reagan is doing cartwheels in his grave watching the U.S. reject the UN resolution stating Russia was the aggressor here. 

[Motorin']

Europe's Ukraine war strategy:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/24/eu-spends-more-russian-oil-gas-than-financial-aid-ukraine-report

 

But we can't stop fighting until everyone virtual signals zee way vee vont!

[Wacka]

Let's see if they were shot from the back or not.If they were, it was because they were running to the rear to get awayy from the Russians or they were surrendering to the Ukrainians because they didn't want to be canon fodder for the Russians ad the Russians shot them. At least the surrender gives them a chance to live.

[All_Pro_Bills]

Whatever deal Trump negotiates is guaranteed to be better than the screw job Biden gave to our Afghan allies that he adandoned. If I recall, the majority of the whiners here over any potential Ukraine deal were okay with sentencing all those people to death at the hands of the Taliban which also got bonus gifted billions in abandoned military hardware and cash.

And your excuse.... it was Trump's plan! Yeah right. It was also Trump's plan to keep the border secure but Mayorkas and Biden had no problem changing that into a 4 year fiasco (that contributed significantly to Harris' defeat I might add) but with the Afghan withdrawal deal their hands were tied. Okay then. So tit-for-tat lets just blame Biden for any Ukraine deal and we can call it even!

Edited Monday at 08:13 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 2/23/2025 at 2:21 PM, Motorin' said:

 

The sooner the war ends the sooner Ukrainian stop being murdered, hello?

 

Uh huh.  The Russian are going to murder more Ukrainians after this ends.  Especially in the territories the occupy.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Whatever deal Trump negotiates is guaranteed to be better than the screw job Biden 

Why? Because Trump will do whatever Putin wants? 

 

How ridiculous and unserious MAGA is 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/25/ukraine-drone-warfare-russia/

 

 

KYIV — “Really cheap stuff is killing really expensive stuff,” Deborah Fairlamb tells me. Fairlamb is co-founder of Green Flag Ventures, a venture capital firm based here and in Los Angeles. It invests in early-stage Ukrainian companies pioneering artificial intelligence and cyber products that are dual-use, meaning with both military and civilian applications.

 

We’re chatting in the lobby of the Intercontinental Kyiv hotel, which is hosting the Defense Tech Innovations Forum, a conference on defense industry technologies. It looks like a Silicon Valley tech-bro gathering, except it’s full of middle-aged Ukrainians in Steve Jobs-style black turtlenecks and men in military fatigues, with a handful of women in attendance, too. The lobby has become an upscale version of Rick’s Café in “Casablanca” — sit there long enough, and you’ll see former CIA director and retired Army Gen. David Petraeus being hailed like a returning hero, or a group of German soldiers headed to a meeting in the restaurant.

 

The topics discussed at the forum cover a wide array of technology developments, including encryption and electronic countermeasures, but the buzz is focused on drones. A rep from Brave1, the Ukrainian government-run coordinating platform for the rapidly growing drone sector, told me that sometimes a new development goes from a proposal to design to prototype to field-testing to front-line deployment in a matter of weeks. And then, he added, Russian countermeasure efforts begin, and Ukrainian tweaks are made, in an escalating game of cat-and-mouse.

 

“In terms of what this means for America, this doesn’t mean you have to get rid of the old stuff” — meaning heavy-duty traditional military hardware — “although the old stuff, the tanks, there are some huge vulnerabilities in those,” Fairlamb says. “There are all kinds of stories of $500 drones killing $5 million tanks, on a very regular basis.” She adds that these cheap kills are occurring on both sides of the battlefield.

 

With the United States’ continued role as the guarantor of European security now in doubt, given recent statements by President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the good news for Ukraine is that defense ministries in Europe — primarily from Nordic countries and the Baltics — are in attendance and absorbing the dizzying pace of change in battlefield technology.

 

Russia has its own visitor studying new military tech: North Korea. “The Russians aren’t just bringing the North Koreans to the front lines; they’ve got them in a number of the Russian drone production facilities, learning and telling them to go build them at home,” Fairlamb says.

 

Last November, North Korean’s state-run news agency reported that dictator Kim Jong Un wanted his country to begin mass production of self-detonating explosive drones. Earlier this month, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported that “North Korea is expected to start producing drones this year that will be codeveloped with Russia,” adding that Pyongyang will receive “technical help from Russia to develop multiple types of drones to be mass manufactured.”

Also this month, North Korean government aviation officials toured Russia’s premier drone training facilities and attended a major aviation expo in Moscow. The delegation visited Moscow State Technical University of Civil Aviation’s advanced technology park for drones.

 

Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s military intelligence agency, told the South Korean Chosun Daily last week that “the North Korean military of the future will be fundamentally different from its past. … North Korean soldiers are fast learners, adapting to modern combat tactics and strategies in just a few months. Their combat effectiveness has improved dramatically — not only with conventional weapons like tanks but also with advanced systems such as drones.”

 

And the Russian-Ukrainian war is increasingly a fight of drones. A recent report by Britain’s Royal United Services Institute concluded that tactical unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, as drones are known, “account for 60 to 70 percent of damaged and destroyed Russian systems.” The report cautioned that Ukrainian officers emphasized the need to combine artillery with drone warfare as the most effective tactic, but it is not an overstatement to say that drones are what’s keeping Ukraine in the war. Ukrainian forces almost invariably field a mix of UAVs that includes light and heavy bomber drones and first-person view, or FPV, drones.

Sometimes, that might be all the Ukrainians field. In December, Ukrainian soldiers near Lyptsi, about six miles from the Russian border in the Kharkiv region, launched a successful nothing-but-drones assault on a Russian position. Based on interviews with military officers, the Ukraine-based Counteroffensive news site reported on what it called a “first attack of its kind,” involving “dozens of FPV, recon, turret-mounted, and [self-detonating] drones all working in tandem on the ground and in the air. … No drone swarm technology was used, which meant that each individual drone was piloted by an individual pilot.”

Picture being a Russian soldier, seeing the enemy advancing upon you, and there’s not a single human being among them. It must have felt like some far-off future imagined by James Cameron had arrived early. For Ukraine, the fervent hope is that it hasn’t arrived too late.

[Motorin']

19 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Uh huh.  The Russian are going to murder more Ukrainians after this ends.  Especially in the territories the occupy.

 

It was the Ukrainians murdering ethnic Russians in the border  regions that helped spark the war. 

 

You can at least admit that, right?