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Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦


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11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Prove it 

 

He didn't invade under him but did under Obama and Biden.  That's the best proof you'll get.

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Just now, Doc said:

 

He didn't invade under him but did under Obama and Biden.  That's the best proof you'll get.

That's not proof that he wouldn't invade. Got any real proof? Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet empire. Trump hasn't changed that. 

 

Trump let Hong Kong go with out so much as a wimper. Putin saw that and smelled weakness

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2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

2014, disputed regions counter revolution as the population of those regions are 75+% Russians.

 

Disputed region has election.  people choose to not be part of Ukraine.  

 

I'm sorry. There's no way you actually believe this is true, is there?

 

Russian soldiers moving into Crimea, seizing control and orchestrating fake elections is hardly a counter revolution of the people...

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

That's not proof that he wouldn't invade. Got any real proof? Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet empire. Trump hasn't changed that. 

 

Trump let Hong Kong go with out so much as a wimper. Putin saw that and smelled weakness

If you believe this, you really need you're head examined.

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

Trump let Hong Kong go with out so much as a wimper. Putin saw that and smelled weakness

 

We've done this before.

Your claim is absolute nonsense.

 

Neither history nor truth is in your quiver.

 

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2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

We've done this before.

Your claim is absolute nonsense.

 

Neither history nor truth is in your quiver.

 

So you think that if Trump was president Putin would have respected Ukraine's borders? 

 

I don't 

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

So you think that if Trump was president Putin would have respected Ukraine's borders? 

 

I don't 

 

You do this all the time, and it marks you as an idiot.

You have misstated a historical claim.

 

You then bring up some other issue that has nothing to do with your false claim.

 

The only thing missing from your usual schtick is a claim of your theory of what other people think.

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5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You do this all the time, and it marks you as an idiot.

You have misstated a historical claim.

 

You then bring up some other issue that has nothing to do with your false claim.

 

The only thing missing from your usual schtick is a claim of your theory of what other people think.

Ok, and? 

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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

That's not proof that he wouldn't invade. Got any real proof? Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet empire. Trump hasn't changed that. 

 

Trump let Hong Kong go with out so much as a wimper. Putin saw that and smelled weakness

 

Sure it is.  Why did he wait until after Trump was out of Office?

 

Hong Kong?  What are you talking about?  It was handed over almost 27 years ago. :lol: 

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6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Sure it is.  Why did he wait until after Trump was out of Office?

 

 

What do you mean he waited? How do you know he waited? Prove he waited to the exclusion of other factors. 
 

Trump praised the invasion, why did Putin need to wait when Trump blessed the murderous invasion. 
 

You are not making any sense 

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43 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What do you mean he waited? How do you know he waited? Prove he waited to the exclusion of other factors. 
 

Trump praised the invasion, why did Putin need to wait when Trump blessed the murderous invasion. 
 

You are not making any sense 

His contention is that Russia would fear the fupa.....

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17 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What do you mean he waited? How do you know he waited? Prove he waited to the exclusion of other factors. 
 

Trump praised the invasion, why did Putin need to wait when Trump blessed the murderous invasion. 
 

You are not making any sense 

 

He invaded under Obama.  Trump was in office for four years and nothing.  Biden becomes President and he invades again.  That's how I know he waited.

 

16 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

His contention is that Russia would fear the fupa.....

 

Well, he didn't fear the dementia...

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Ukraine Rejects Putin's Peace Terms

JAZZ SHAW 

 

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There isn't going to be a deal made between Israel and Hamas any time soon, but at least we can hope for a peace settlement in Ukraine, right? For a brief moment this week, it began to look as if that might be a possibility. A group of world leaders are preparing to convene in Switzerland to discuss the terms of a possible ceasefire. When Vladimir Putin was asked about the meeting, he gave a rather surprising answer, saying that he was prepared to "immediately" order a ceasefire in Ukraine if certain conditions could be met. That hopeful state of play didn't last very long, however. As soon as he was informed of Putin's comments, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Foreign Minister immediately shot the proposal down, labeling it as "absurd" and "manipulative." So it appears that we are back to the drawing board and there may not be any point to holding a peace conference in Switzerland. (NBC News)

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/06/15/ukraine-rejects-putins-peace-terms-n3790325

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-pledges-truce-ukraine-exits-occupied-areas-drops-nato-bid-rcna157146

 

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

He invaded under Obama.  Trump was in office for four years and nothing.  Biden becomes President and he invades again.  That's how I know he waited.

 

That doesn't show he waited. You are making no sense. Are you saying he was scared of Trump? Trump praised the invasion. Heck, he's inviting Putin to attack NATO. Biden's the one that ignored the nuclear blackmail and has aided Ukraine. ("Expert" posters on this board said we were going to have a nuclear war if we aided Ukraine, lol) Putin should have invaded under Trump, he would have won, as Trump would never had lifted a finger to save that republic

 

What are you trying to say, Putin fears Trump, or they are such good friends that Putin wanted to help Trump by not ruffling any feathers. 

 

You support a really screwed up person

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

That doesn't show he waited. You are making no sense. Are you saying he was scared of Trump? Trump praised the invasion. Heck, he's inviting Putin to attack NATO. Biden's the one that ignored the nuclear blackmail and has aided Ukraine. ("Expert" posters on this board said we were going to have a nuclear war if we aided Ukraine, lol) Putin should have invaded under Trump, he would have won, as Trump would never had lifted a finger to save that republic

 

What are you trying to say, Putin fears Trump, or they are such good friends that Putin wanted to help Trump by not ruffling any feathers. 

 

You support a really screwed up person

 

Not attacking Ukraine for 4 years under Trump "doesn't show he waited"?  LOL!  Yes, I'm the one not making sense...

 

And don't be silly with the rest of what you wrote.  Trump strengthened NATO by scaring them into contributing their fair share.  And if Trump wouldn't have lifted a finger (maybe true) and/or was/is a Putin puppet, why didn't Putin invade?  So far none of you have given a serious answer to that question.

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10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not attacking Ukraine for 4 years under Trump "doesn't show he waited"?  LOL!  Yes, I'm the one not making sense...

 

And don't be silly with the rest of what you wrote.  Trump strengthened NATO by scaring them into contributing their fair share.  And if Trump wouldn't have lifted a finger (maybe true) and/or was/is a Putin puppet, why didn't Putin invade?  So far none of you have given a serious answer to that question.

It doesn't. Maybe he wasn't ready. You have any proof at all Putin consider Trump hostile in that regards? Trump praised the invasion

 

Tell us why Putin didn't invade under Trump. Explain the reasoning. You have not. Putin was afraid of Trump? Putin loves Trump and didn't want to make him uncomfortable? Something else? 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It doesn't. Maybe he wasn't ready. You have any proof at all Putin consider Trump hostile in that regards? Trump praised the invasion

 

Tell us why Putin didn't invade under Trump. Explain the reasoning. You have not. Putin was afraid of Trump? Putin loves Trump and didn't want to make him uncomfortable? Something else? 

 

 

Timing was based on the situation in Ukraine not the US.

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