Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 1:30 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I think that conclusion is demonstrably false because to this point any escalation in hostilities from either side has been met with an equal or larger escalation from the other. It might be a major error in judgment to base strategy on the premise the other person is going to back down if they're threatened with more harm. I've been a party in one form or another to some personal disagreements where both potential combatants had a similar expectation (that being the other guy will back down) it never ended well for either person. Expand So you are fine with Putin taken part of Ukraine. Basically you are for appeasement like Chamberlain was with Hitler
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 1:43 PM, Tiberius said: So you are fine with Putin taken part of Ukraine. Basically you are for appeasement like Chamberlain was with Hitler Expand I'm saying escalations in hostilities have a potential to lead to WW3 which results in the end of the world. Are you good with that outcome? 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:14 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I'm saying escalations in hostilities have a potential to lead to WW3 which results in the end of the world. Are you good with that outcome? Expand Not standing up for democracies could lead to ill outcomes as well. WE have already learned that lesson at Munich in 1938.
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 1:43 PM, Tiberius said: So you are fine with Putin taken part of Ukraine. Basically you are for appeasement like Chamberlain was with Hitler Expand I am no expert on the region but I’ve heard that the eastern region in dispute is far from universally accepted as being ‘part of Ukraine’….just saying.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:20 PM, SoCal Deek said: I am no expert on the region but I’ve heard that the eastern region in dispute is far from universally accepted as being ‘part of Ukraine’….just saying. Expand Well, Putin shouldn't have shot his way in, deported people (ethnic cleansing), ruined cities and murdered and tortured his way to fake election victory. You are going to excuse that and say, well, what is to be done?
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:24 PM, Tiberius said: Well, Putin shouldn't have shot his way in, deported people (ethnic cleansing), ruined cities and murdered and tortured his way to fake election victory. You are going to excuse that and say, well, what is to be done? Expand Enough with the Putin nonsense Tibs. It’s been done to death.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:25 PM, SoCal Deek said: Enough with the Putin nonsense Tibs. It’s been done to death. Expand What? Putin invaded
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:28 PM, Tiberius said: What? Putin invaded Expand No kidding! Really? You’ve got a real scoop there my friend!
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:19 PM, Tiberius said: Not standing up for democracies could lead to ill outcomes as well. WE have already learned that lesson at Munich in 1938. Expand NATO will stop Russia dead. Putin isn't going to invade Europe or reform the Soviet Union. So the 1938 analogy is inapplicable. And the ability to destroy the world 100 times over changes the dynamics of the conflict and the risks present 2023 vs. 1938. So are you willing to risk nuclear annihilation of the world to support a fight over national ownership of a couple Russian ethnic provinces in some country on the other side of the Earth? I'm not and I'll wager almost every one of the other 7 billion human inhabitants of the planet aren't either.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:31 PM, SoCal Deek said: No kidding! Really? You’ve got a real scoop there my friend! Expand You brought it up, don't go into the kitchen if you can't handle the heat. On 1/31/2023 at 2:35 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: NATO will stop Russia dead. Putin isn't going to invade Europe or reform the Soviet Union. So the 1938 analogy is inapplicable. And the ability to destroy the world 100 times over changes the dynamics of the conflict and the risks present 2023 vs. 1938. So are you willing to risk nuclear annihilation of the world to support a fight over national ownership of a couple Russian ethnic provinces in some country on the other side of the Earth? I'm not and I'll wager almost every one of the other 7 billion human inhabitants of the planet aren't either. Expand So just give into nuclear blackmail any time he (Or anyone) wants to kill people and screams "I'll nuke anyone that tries to stop my wonderful killing!) No thanks
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:48 PM, Tiberius said: You brought it up, don't go into the kitchen if you can't handle the heat. Expand No…I brought up your childish nonsense that anyone who questions what we’re doing is a Putin supporter. It’s been played to death. May I suggest you too stay out of the kitchen?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 2:53 PM, SoCal Deek said: No…I brought up your childish nonsense that anyone who questions what we’re doing is a Putin supporter. It’s been played to death. May I suggest you too stay out of the kitchen? Expand No, you claimed parts of Ukraine are in dispute and I pointed out Putin's actions in those areas. Then you fell to pieces
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:01 PM, Tiberius said: No, you claimed parts of Ukraine are in dispute and I pointed out Putin's actions in those areas. Then you fell to pieces Expand No….I was referencing your standard Putin-apologist response. And yes, parts of what we call Ukraine are indeed in dispute. What do YOU think this war is about? World domination?
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:03 PM, SoCal Deek said: No….I was referencing your standard Putin-apologist response. And yes, parts of what we call Ukraine are indeed in dispute. What do YOU think this war is about? World domination? Expand Yes, but not just Putin, the authoritarians hate democracies and want to snuff them out.
Warcodered Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 12:02 PM, reddogblitz said: Acoording to Newsweek article, Ukraine is Considering retreating from Bakhmut because they getting too many guys killed. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-commander-reveals-sole-reason-troops-would-withdraw-bakhmut-1777654 So much winning. Russia is fighting this as a war of attrition. Once Ukraine gets those 30 Bradley's up and running they'll be able to end this quickly. Yeah right. Continuing to pour weapons into there will only make this last years longer. What happens when Ukraine runs out of soldiers? Expand The story about that city has been worrying with that salt mine it just seemed like exactly the kind of fight Russia would want/excel in. Where they could throw waves of their men at them while it takes away some of the advantages the Ukrainians have had. Getting stuck in a fight like that seemed like a bad idea.
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:05 PM, Tiberius said: Yes, but not just Putin, the authoritarians hate democracies and want to snuff them out. Expand Now you’re just being silly. But it’s what I like about you Tibs. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:07 PM, SoCal Deek said: Now you’re just being silly. But it’s what I like about you Tibs. Expand You are. You just want to turn a blind eye as Putin murders has way through a sovereign nation. That’s silly? Sound pro Putin
SoCal Deek Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:20 PM, Tiberius said: You are. You just want to turn a blind eye as Putin murders has way through a sovereign nation. That’s silly? Sound pro Putin Expand And we’re back to the good ‘ol Putin stuff. Thanks for playing. 1
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2023 Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:20 PM, Tiberius said: You are. You just want to turn a blind eye as Putin murders has way through a sovereign nation. That’s silly? Sound pro Putin Expand what happened to all the putin is dying of cancer *****? was that made up? how about we negotiate peace and wait until he dies and then negotiate the return of territories? you believe there are two sides....russia and endless war. why not a third where we have the war end and just accept russia did what they did, give them a few territories and wait for him to die? 2
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted January 31, 2023 Author Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 3:26 PM, SoCal Deek said: And we’re back to the good ‘ol Putin stuff. Thanks for playing. Expand Well, when you advocate for letting a terrorist get away with being a terrorist... On 1/31/2023 at 3:38 PM, aristocrat said: what happened to all the putin is dying of cancer *****? was that made up? h Expand made up, i suppose
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