sherpa Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Were they calling for a no fly zone or something else? Can we stop this? A no fly zone is a declaration of war. Call it what it is. 2 2
sherpa Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure Want to make it interesting, or you want to keep acting the goof? I can provide massive amounts of proof, so you name the stakes of a gamble, no limit, and I'll gladly agree. If not, shut up. 1
snafu Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Its much worse. Lying, coward, emotional poster. Don’t forget idiot. 1
Big Blitz Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, BillStime said: In these self inflicted times, we thank you for reminding us these border hawks drafted a bill months ago that wouldn't stand a chance of passing - to defend our border..... While Brandon sends $70 million A DAY to RUSSIA for oil.... Thank you for your service.
Warcodered Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 https://thehill.com/policy/international/596409-belarus-president-stands-in-front-of-battle-map-indicating-moldova
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Demongyz said: I don't like this, I suppose they must be Russian, but what does that have to do with anything. I don't like all this anti-Russian crap. How about they have him make a video saying Putin is a piece of crap instead? Because he won’t, because he still has family there and doesn’t need to jeopardize their welfare
BillStime Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 This is about as nuts as DR starting a sugar coated 1/6 thread
SCBills Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Were they calling for a no fly zone or something else? Legit involvement on The Five. In essence “we can’t sit idly by and watch this happen”. No fly zone justification from some of the politicians they had on. I’d contend a no fly zone is direct involvement, but the two I referenced on The Five are calling to basically send air power in to take out convoys. Edited March 2, 2022 by SCBills
Chef Jim Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: They are not so stupid to get so triggered by a question. You are an idiot. Why? You are the second person to ask me that. I see a human human rights nightmare being visited on a peaceful people and it pisses me off. It doesn’t bother you they are bombing a society into submission? Or trying to, anyway Why have you not demanded we blow the ***** out of China? You pick and choose which human rights violations you become Mr Macho with? If so what do you base your decisions on? 1
Big Blitz Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: Legit involvement on The Five. In essence “we can’t sit idly by and watch this happen”. No fly zone justification from some of the politicians they had on. I’d contend a no fly zone is direct involvement, but the two I referenced on The Five are calling to basically send air power in to take out convoys. No reason for kinetic action. We're just canceling Russia. They haven't seen anything like this since Ghengis Khan.
SCBills Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Why have you not demanded we blow the ***** out of China? You pick and choose which human rights violations you become Mr Macho with? If so what do you base your decisions on? I’d challenge anyone who feels we need to war with Russia to ask themselves why we care only about the Ukrainian people and not the people of Somalia, Yemen or Ethiopia? Out of sight, out of mind. Edited March 2, 2022 by SCBills 1
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, sherpa said: If I might.... Those are decisions made by politicians. If you shock the energy market, you get very high prices that stifle economies and make civilians mad. That anger is directed towards those same politicians that make those decisions, so they are averse to it as a job security issue. The thing to do is rationally address it once this situation cools off. For the US and the Dems, there is simply no excuse to keep stifling our clean nat gas energy options while perusing alternatives that extend beyond renewables to hydrogen and other options. Interesting response. So politics are in play now? I wonder how Ukrainians feel about this? Let's dig in. I looked at WTI Crude Oil Prices from February 1, 2021 to February 1, 2022. https://www.macrotrends.net/2516/wti-crude-oil-prices-10-year-daily-chart It looks like WTI crude went from $53.55 per barrel on Feb 1, 2021 to $88.20 a barrel on Feb 1, 2022, before the invasion. If my math is correct, that is a 39% increase in one year. I would call that a price shock before any invasion happened. Why did this shock happen? Is the 39% increase in oil prices a major factor in the 7-8% inflation we have seen? WTI is not all oil production, but because of the cartel nature of oil production there are usually not arbitrage opportunities available, so this should be a good measure of oil costs. I admit It is a wholly domestic price. Anyone with data showing significantly different prices is welcome to counter my data and we will synthesize it. If prices are up 39% year over year, why would the blocking of about 1 million barrels of crude daily from Russia create a much bigger shock, if we are truly behind helping Ukraine retain sovereignty? It honestly doesn't hold up to factual scrutiny. A ban on oil imports from Russia should be imposed, if the USA truly wants to stop the Russo-Ukrainian War. There would be a small increase in gas prices, but it would pale in comparison to the price shocks in place since Feb 1, 2021. The inflation and price shock has already happened. In my opinion we should be looking to why the price rose 39% in one year, and why the USA started importing Russian Oil after a 6-7 year hiatus under Obama and Trump. Two politicians who could not be more different, on the surface, both blocked Russian oil imports. Obama - blocked Russian oil imports for his last 2 years Trump - blocked Russian oil imports for 4 years, blocked Russian Nord Stream 2 approvals in Europe, supported Keystone Pipeline Biden - approved Russian oil imports to the tune of 220 million barrels in 2021, approved Russian Nord Stream 2, blocked Keystone Pipeline Anyone care to explain how Trump's actions were 'pro Russia' and how Biden's actions were 'anti-Russia'? That argument does not make any sense since 40-50% of Russia's state budget is based on energy exports. As for natural gas. USA output of Nat Gas in the USA has been: (millions of cubic feet) https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9050us2a.htm 2015: 28,772,044 - Obama 2016: 28,400,049 - Obama's last year 2017: 29,237,825 - Trump 2018: 33,008,867 - Trump 2019: 36,446,918 - Trump 2020: 36,202,446 - Trump 2021: 37,015,049 - Biden's first year The common theme among Republicans is that Natural Gas production has been harmed by the Biden Administration. False, Natural Gas production has increased so far under Biden. True, natural gas production soared under Trump 20%+, with a dip in 2020 probably due to COVID. This helped the US become energy independent and allowed exports to Europe. Despite media contention, Biden did not stop any actual existing production, but did stop new production from coming online by blocking the Keystone Pipeline and limiting permits on Federal Land. 2
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Demongyz said: They should. This again is virtue signaling... Lots of that going around these days. They are paying for the oil through SWIFT still, there are only a few Russian banks blocked from SWIFT so they can all have their cake and eat it too. None of our response makes much sense at this point. Largely agree. If the USA and Europe are actually waging economic warfare against Russia they would block oil and natural gas exports from Russia. They are not. Russian energy exports to the USA and Europe continue. Russia is not exporting energy on the 'good credit' of the EU/USA/NATO during a war, where those same countries 'condemn them' in the media. If a commodity is being exported, then a financial instrument remains in place to facilitate trade, despite what the Main Stream Media says. If a loophole exists for energy exports why isn't this being reported? Wouldn't the Russian oligarchs have access to these instruments of trade and banking too? It is naive and laughable that the Russian economy is being weakened, while energy exports, that fund 30-50% of the Russian Government budget continue. Edited March 2, 2022 by ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin
Big Blitz Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, SCBills said: I’d challenge anyone who feels we need to war with Russia to ask themselves why we care only about the Ukrainian people and not the people of Somalia, Yemen or Ethiopia? Out of sight, out of mind. The racism is so obvious but of course never called out. White Ukraine can handle foreign intervention and a propped up government. Why exactly I have no idea. The Soviet Union may attack us? The brown people in Iraq - they are animals and will just kill each other; we can't overthrow that strongman dictator we need him there to keep the "peace." White liberals are the worst humans on the planet. Especially the men. 3
CoudyBills Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 On 12/5/2021 at 10:36 AM, Tiberius said: Much better chance than under Trump. So yes, I do think Biden will show leadership. Nice try troll. Or ######ed, which?
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2022 Author Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Legit involvement on The Five. In essence “we can’t sit idly by and watch this happen”. No fly zone justification from some of the politicians they had on. I’d contend a no fly zone is direct involvement, but the two I referenced on The Five are calling to basically send air power in to take out convoys. A no fly zone would save lives 8 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Nice try troll. Or ######ed, which? Trump is a POS
John Adams Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 7 hours ago, SCBills said: I’d challenge anyone who feels we need to war with Russia to ask themselves why we care only about the Ukrainian people and not the people of Somalia, Yemen or Ethiopia? Out of sight, out of mind. It is strange for sure. Syria waves hello. Is it because Europe > Middle East. Asia, Africa to Americans? Something else?
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 8 hours ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said: I'm not a registered Democrat or registered Republican. I do want to ask a fundamental question that I think a lot of the 34% or so of independents and third party members want to ask. Regardless of your political affiliation, if you want to see this war stopped, and I think we all do, we should ask the following questions. 1) If the USA wants to put a stop to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, then why doesn't it stop importing oil from Russia? 2) Why don't Germany and the EU stop the flow of natural gas from Nord Stream 1, which bypasses Ukraine and Poland, to Germany, and by extension Europe? Very simple question. Also, if all banks are being banned from transactions to Russia, and all international settlements systems like SWIFT have been stopped, then how is the USA paying for this oil, and how is Germany/ EU paying for its natural gas? @Tiberius @BillStime @SlimShady'sSpaceForce I am new here, and I didn't want your voices to be missed. Perhaps you missed the post about Russian export energy to the US and EU, and how those payments are being processed despite 'UN Sanctions' to stop the war? It seems obvious to me. What do you think? Most people can see what is happening here, don't you agree? I mean SWIFT was suspended, how else are payments being made? Some conservative voices have weighed in, and I have engaged them. They do have a slightly limited view but it is nationalistic and fits the story line. I would expect that from the center right. You all seem to have very strong opinions contrary to them on a lot of topics. Perhaps my post was missed? it seems relevant since Putin's Russia depends on energy exports for 40-50% of it's budget, and they are invading Ukraine. So far no one has a very good answer to anything. Looking for your input.
John Adams Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 City shelling picking up today. I think Putin was trying to avoid this but now is amping it up since it didn’t come easy. Police and other targets getting hit. Meanwhile at home… 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2022 Posted March 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: A no fly zone would save lives What do you do when said no fly zone over territory that isn’t ours is violated by Russian migs? do you have any idea what a battle for air superiority over a foreign land verses an Air Force of 800+ advanced fighter jets looks like?
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