sherpa Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Putin will laugh at that. Bomb the Russian army Thats the only way to stop this horror show NATO made the decision to not engage in direct military action weeks ago. It is way too late now. This plays out with the Russians trying to run the country, and that won't work well, especially since their, (Russian) economy is going to be destroyed by sanctions and voluntary withdrawals by scores of different industry groups. The smart thing now is to prevent the massive loss of life that any late hour offensive would result in. So much for your "drone/Stinger/Javelin" strategy.
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, sherpa said: NATO made the decision to not engage in direct military action weeks ago. It is way too late now. This plays out with the Russians trying to run the country, and that won't work well, especially since their, (Russian) economy is going to be destroyed by sanctions and voluntary withdrawals by scores of different industry groups. The smart thing now is to prevent the massive loss of life that any late hour offensive would result in. So much for your "drone/Stinger/Javelin" strategy. The smart thing is to do what? How do you propose that? My Drone strategy has not been tried, but it would stop the offensive in its tracks
sherpa Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The smart thing is to do what? How do you propose that? My Drone strategy has not been tried, but it would stop the offensive in its tracks Your drone strategy is silly. Seems like a video game kid guessing at military capability. I'm hoping that the Ukraine has been sitting on its powder, looking for one huge assault on this convoy. They haven't done a thing in 48 hours, so just maybe they try to attack it all at once with what they've got left. Seems unlikely though, as the Russian convoy is incredibly vulnerable now, and have launched attacks that would seemingly trigger such a response. What would not be smart would be for NATO to to initiate some huge response against them at this too late date. The Russians have a huge problem in front of them, and as isolated as they have made themselves, the degree of difficulty is much greater. Not that their good at that anyway. Edited March 1, 2022 by sherpa
SCBills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) This guy is one of the best follows on Twitter. Edited March 1, 2022 by SCBills 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: NATO made the decision to not engage in direct military action weeks ago. It is way too late now. This plays out with the Russians trying to run the country, and that won't work well, especially since their, (Russian) economy is going to be destroyed by sanctions and voluntary withdrawals by scores of different industry groups. The smart thing now is to prevent the massive loss of life that any late hour offensive would result in. So much for your "drone/Stinger/Javelin" strategy. it was a a major miscalculation not to have at least help arm Ukraine arm up to defend themselves. I’m with you, there is no stoping this train now. I also don’t see how Zelenski survives the next few weeks. 1) He is super charismatic and now the iconic face of the Ukrainian democratic republic… 2) Putin isn’t going to take a loss now so he’s going to take Kyiv or level it 3) the geopolitical damage is done at this point. There’s no “ooops my bad” 4) as much as the world it mostly rooting for Ukraine, no one is fearless enough to step in and help fight. the only possible alternative outcome is if Russia itself revolts on Putin or if his autocracy is somehow threatened internally to the point where he finds a graceful diplomatic exit he can sell as a win at home 1
Doc Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 They kill Zelenskiy, they make him a martyr and will never have peace. Putin badly miscalculated how much Ukraine wanted to be a part of Russia.
SCBills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: They kill Zelenskiy, they make him a martyr and will never have peace. Putin badly miscalculated how much Ukraine wanted to be a part of Russia. It’s interesting to note that 125k Ukrainians have fled to Russia. It seems there is a huge portion of far-eastern Ukraine that identifies as/with Russia, but CLEARLY the country outside of a few contested areas in the East, wants to be with the West. 1
dpberr Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 This conflict is about natural gas reserves and pipelines. I think everything else is just story. Russia pays $7billion (over 5 years) to push their gas through Ukraine to Europe. They also have untold billions of natural gas deposits in their part of the Black Sea. If you're Russia, imagine the control you'd have with the supply and means to deliver the supply by cutting out the middle man, not to mention you no longer have to pay Ukraine the rent for your sub base. If you're the West, imagine if you could get Ukraine to hand over their pipelines to a Western company. It's happened before. The whole Iranian mess begins with the US and UK overthrowing the elected leader of Iran in the 50s (Operation Ajax) because he didn't want to give the West the Iranian oil infrastructure. 2
aristocrat Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Declare the Oligarchs terrorists and seize all their yachts, homes and football clubs. Putin will be dead by the weekend.
SoCal Deek Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, dpberr said: This conflict is about natural gas reserves and pipelines. I think everything else is just story. Russia pays $7billion (over 5 years) to push their gas through Ukraine to Europe. They also have untold billions of natural gas deposits in their part of the Black Sea. If you're Russia, imagine the control you'd have with the supply and means to deliver the supply by cutting out the middle man, not to mention you no longer have to pay Ukraine the rent for your sub base. If you're the West, imagine if you could get Ukraine to hand over their pipelines to a Western company. It's happened before. The whole Iranian mess begins with the US and UK overthrowing the elected leader of Iran in the 50s (Operation Ajax) because he didn't want to give the West the Iranian oil infrastructure. Why should they care about long term payments? According to AOC, the world is ending in less than seven years. 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, dpberr said: This conflict is about natural gas reserves and pipelines. I think everything else is just story. Russia pays $7billion (over 5 years) to push their gas through Ukraine to Europe. They also have untold billions of natural gas deposits in their part of the Black Sea. If you're Russia, imagine the control you'd have with the supply and means to deliver the supply by cutting out the middle man, not to mention you no longer have to pay Ukraine the rent for your sub base. If you're the West, imagine if you could get Ukraine to hand over their pipelines to a Western company. It's happened before. The whole Iranian mess begins with the US and UK overthrowing the elected leader of Iran in the 50s (Operation Ajax) because he didn't want to give the West the Iranian oil infrastructure. Good interpretation, though the rest of that “story” does matter greatly. The Russian cultural ties to Donetsk and Luhansk matter. The strategic military use of the Crimean peninsula matters. Aggressive NATO expansions toward Russian borders (for the benefit of the military-industrial complex) matter. U.S. meddling into Ukrainian politics (for the benefit of the entire corporate oligarchy) matters. But yes, we agree that energy is the underlying source of this international conflict. 1
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 Looks like that convoy is facing serious problems. IEDs? Heard a report that many Russian soldiers are deserting and sabotaging vehicles. Hopefully but who knows
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: is the thought they didn’t see this coming and liquidate their assets away from these policing activities or did these super wealthy believe the world wouldn’t have reacted this way? Edited March 1, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
Big Blitz Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Wow. What a joke. Everyone is totally going to come together, hold hands, and sing Kumbaya when this is over.
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