BillStime Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Too bad 3 Presidents prior to that were not. And the one after. Along with social, political and business elites being bought off. Threatening our democracy. Ah so Conald’s half baked trade war with China failed as expected. Once again - a GOP administration handing off an absolute shitzhow to a dem administration.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Ah so Conald’s half baked trade war with China failed as expected. Once again - a GOP administration handing off an absolute shitzhow to a dem administration. Sure if you want to believe that's what happened and continue living in your alternate reality then good for you. 2
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 37 minutes ago, LeviF said: Meanwhile I'm guessing Russia will want some land in the east of Ukraine and I'm not sure anyone has the ability to reasonably challenge that demand. The ability is there. The will is lacking
LeviF Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: The ability is there. The will is lacking Strictly speaking that's probably more accurate, yes.
SCBills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Sure as hell isn't a game. Kyiv is about to be leveled, thousands could be killed and we sit and watch and hope...ok It’s tragic, but we also need to make sure hundreds of thousands, if not more, don’t die in a nuclear war. Also, the only reason you don’t feel the same way about people in Ethiopia or Yemen is because the media hasn’t told you to care and they don’t look like you. Edited March 1, 2022 by SCBills
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 This is a genocide now. Putin is just going to murder the whole of Ukraine 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, LeviF said: At this point surrender is beyond doubt. The only questions left are what do the terms of surrender look like and what does an isolated Russia on the world stage look like? Can the West reasonably keep up the sanctions? If you're worried about your home energy bill this winter I got bad news about next winter if this all keeps up. Meanwhile I'm guessing Russia will want some land in the east of Ukraine and I'm not sure anyone has the ability to reasonably challenge that demand. The Russians invaded thinking Ukraine would throw flowers and women on their tanks while they drove to Kyiv, shot Zelensky, and installed some stooges. They have no plan for an occupation, they have no plan for an insurgency. They have a stock market they don't dare open, and a currency that's worthless. Unless they plan on using surface to surface missiles, thermobaric rocket launchers, and waves of tanks to fight a COIN operation, they'll have to retool a substantial portion of their army away from a laser focused mission of fighting NATO conventionally. Or they could just start slaughtering their Slavic, orthodox christian brothers until they realizing how much Ukraine missed Russian domination.
SoCal Deek Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: This is a genocide now. Putin is just going to murder the whole of Ukraine Tibs…let’s try and keep it at least somewhat grounded to reality. 1 1
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, SCBills said: It’s tragic, but we also need to make sure hundreds of thousands, if not more, don’t die in a nuclear war. Also, the only reason you don’t feel the same way about people in Ethiopia or Yemen is because the media hasn’t told you to care… and they don’t look like you. It’s tragic and preventable. Putin’s terrified of getting covid. Sounds like a brave guy. And your silly argument that we should ignore this because of media coverage is pathetic Just now, SoCal Deek said: Tibs…let’s try and keep it at least somewhat grounded to reality. What do you think he’s doing blasting cities and bring up more fire power to crush them further. He’s already done this to cities
SCBills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: It’s tragic and preventable. Putin’s terrified of getting covid. Sounds like a brave guy. And your silly argument that we should ignore this because of media coverage is pathetic Never said we should ignore this. There’s a lot of room between “do nothing” and “unleash the nukes”.
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The Russians invaded thinking Ukraine would throw flowers and women on their tanks while they drove to Kyiv, shot Zelensky, and installed some stooges. They have no plan for an occupation, they have no plan for an insurgency. They have a stock market they don't dare open, and a currency that's worthless. Unless they plan on using surface to surface missiles, thermobaric rocket launchers, and waves of tanks to fight a COIN operation, they'll have to retool a substantial portion of their army away from a laser focused mission of fighting NATO conventionally. Or they could just start slaughtering their Slavic, orthodox christian brothers until they realizing how much Ukraine missed Russian domination. That sure looks like the plan now
B-Man Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Ukraine Crushes Three Great Myths About Russia American Thinker, by Tadas Klimas https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/03/ukraine_crushes_three_great_myths_about_russia.html
SoCal Deek Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What do you think he’s doing blasting cities and bring up more fire power to crush them further. He’s already done this to cities He’s ‘going to murder of all Ukraine’? Come on Man! 1
SCBills Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Maybe we could go back to becoming energy independent and actually hit Russia where it hurts before we threaten war.. just a thought. Im all for green/renewable energy, but we’re not there yet. Keep investing in the future, while securing our country in the present. We can sanction Russia all we want, but until the Western world stops giving him billions of dollars per day for oil, he will just wait it out. On top of that, he is also negotiating larger oil deals with China, India and Pakistan. We can’t sanction his oil, because we need it. Biden can’t risk $6/gallon gas because it’s political suicide, so we’ll talk tough about Russia, while letting them pollute the environment with their oil production as we help fund his war.
B-Man Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Maybe we could go back to becoming energy independent and actually hit Russia where it hurts before we threaten war.. just a thought. Im all for green/renewable energy, but we’re not there yet. Keep investing in the future, while securing our country in the present. We can sanction Russia all we want, but until the Western world stops giving him billions of dollars per day for oil, he will just wait it out. On top of that, he is also negotiating larger oil deals with China, India and Pakistan. We can’t sanction his oil, because we need it. Biden can’t risk $6/gallon gas because it’s political suicide, so we’ll talk tough about Russia, while letting them pollute the environment with their oil production as we help fund his war. 3
Chef Jim Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, LeviF said: The goals are pretty clear, keep NATO away from the Russian border Umm geography lesson. If Russia takes over Ukraine they WILL have NATO on their border. 🤦🏻♂️ 1
LeviF Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Umm geography lesson. If Russia takes over Ukraine they WILL have NATO on their border. 🤦🏻♂️ I don't think the plan is to annex all of Ukraine. 51 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The Russians invaded thinking Ukraine would throw flowers and women on their tanks while they drove to Kyiv, shot Zelensky, and installed some stooges. They have no plan for an occupation, they have no plan for an insurgency. They have a stock market they don't dare open, and a currency that's worthless. Unless they plan on using surface to surface missiles, thermobaric rocket launchers, and waves of tanks to fight a COIN operation, they'll have to retool a substantial portion of their army away from a laser focused mission of fighting NATO conventionally. Or they could just start slaughtering their Slavic, orthodox christian brothers until they realizing how much Ukraine missed Russian domination. I also don't think the plan is to install stooges in Ukraine. Putin has flexed what he needed to. Now it's a matter of annexing a section of land that isn't "Russian" in the ethnic sense as a buffer between Russia and NATO. As far as the economic thing goes...again I don't think anyone can reasonably tell us what it all means long term. There are long-term consequences to holding that line indefinitely. 1
muppy Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This is a genocide now. Putin is just going to murder the whole of Ukraine International Criminal Court to Investigate Russia for Ukraine War Crimes (newsweek.com) International Criminal Court to investigate alleged war crimes by Russia in Ukraine | Financial Times (ft.com) War crimes charges yep. Im sure those are coming. Links won't embed. 😞 Edited March 1, 2022 by muppy
Warcodered Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 15 hours ago, sherpa said: It's hyperbaric, not hyperbolic. 1
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2022 Author Posted March 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, muppy said: International Criminal Court to Investigate Russia for Ukraine War Crimes (newsweek.com) International Criminal Court to investigate alleged war crimes by Russia in Ukraine | Financial Times (ft.com) War crimes charges yep. Im sure those are coming. Links won't embed. 😞 Putin will laugh at that. Bomb the Russian army Thats the only way to stop this horror show
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