Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No way should we allow Kyiv to be obliterated! We can stop that. That convoy should be destroyed. We have the power. These weapons that are being used on civilians like cluster bombs and hyperbolic weapons are war crimes. 

 

Do something Joe Biden! 

 

It's hyperbaric, not hyperbolic.

[snafu]

17 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Biden didn't come to this conclusion, it was provided to him by US Intel sources.

He doesn't have that skill.

 

Based on the Russian military performance in this hideous operation, him taking this to WWIII would be as stupid as the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

His only strength against NATO, even as weak as it is militarily now, is the nuc threat.

 

NATO is going to get stronger, and after a week of this Russian adventure, he has managed to alienate is country, largely eliminate them from intl trade,  caused Germany to shred its pacifist posture, cause Finland and Sweden to lean towards NATO and now even sway Switzerland, who never opposed Hitler.

 

The only thing he has left is a nuclear threat, and hopefully, the Russians will realize that is an idiotic, course.

 

Whatever the Russian word is for Valkryie, they need to think about it.

 

The Russian military performance has been amateur and pathetic.

 

 

Yes on Biden's intel.  Thank you for the clarification.

And yes on the Putin miscalculation. He's painted into a corner and the only thing he's considering seems to be more bloodshed.  They say that the first Russian units into battle are poorly trained kids from factories, etc.  I wonder how right that is.  I think Putin's held back the quality troops and materiel.  Stupid.

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

It's hyperbaric, not hyperbolic.

Thanks!

 

I appreciate the non-emotional response for once 

[BillStime]

Ladies and Gentleman  -  Putin himself has a message for his cult:

 

 

It’s killing @Deranged Rhino that all of his work on behalf of Conald and Putin continues to go up in smoke while Brandon continues to build an international coalition to sanction DR’s bosses.

 

Why else would DR start a fresh thread to distract, deflect and white wash 1/6?

 

 

 

 

[sherpa]

8 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

 They say that the first Russian units into battle are poorly trained kids from factories, etc.  I wonder how right that is.  I think Putin's held back the quality troops and materiel.  Stupid.

 

 

 

I don't think it matters how trained his troops were.

It is a screaming example of horrible strategy and planning, and that is done at way higher levels.

 

[Tiberius]

30 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Biden didn't come to this conclusion, it was provided to him by US Intel sources.

He doesn't have that skill.

 

Based on the Russian military performance in this hideous operation, him taking this to WWIII would be as stupid as the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

His only strength against NATO, even as weak as it is militarily now, is the nuc threat.

 

NATO is going to get stronger, and after a week of this Russian adventure, he has managed to alienate is country, largely eliminate them from intl trade,  caused Germany to shred its pacifist posture, cause Finland and Sweden to lean towards NATO and now even sway Switzerland, who never opposed Hitler.

 

The only thing he has left is a nuclear threat, and hopefully, the Russians will realize that is an idiotic, course.

 

Whatever the Russian word is for Valkryie, they need to think about it.

 

The Russian military performance has been amateur and pathetic.

So when you say “Russians will realize” you mean those small number of Russians in the nuclear chain of nuclear command?  Let’s hope there’s so independent thinkers there. 

 

Also, Putin sitting at that ridiculously big table because he’s afraid of covid, yet we think he will commit suicide by going nuclear? I doubt it 

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Ladies and Gentleman  -  Putin himself has a message for his cult:

 

 

It’s killing @Deranged Rhino that all of his work on behalf of Conald and Putin continues to go up in smoke while Brandon continues to build an international coalition to sanction DR’s bosses.

 

Why else would DR start a fresh thread to distract, deflect and white wash 1/6?

 

 

 

 

DR went ballistic on Marco Rubio back in 2016. Not hard to see why, Rubio was very anti Putin 

[BillStime]

Bravo Brandon!!!!

 

 

[BillStime]

Brandon doing a phenomenal job rallying the world against Putin and Trumpism.

 

No wonder DR is so threatened and unhinged - lmao

 

General Motors, Daimler Truck, Volvo and Volkswagen have suspended car sales to Russia.

 

[John Adams]

50 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Biden didn't come to this conclusion, it was provided to him by US Intel sources.

He doesn't have that skill.

 

Based on the Russian military performance in this hideous operation, him taking this to WWIII would be as stupid as the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

His only strength against NATO, even as weak as it is militarily now, is the nuc threat.

 

NATO is going to get stronger, and after a week of this Russian adventure, he has managed to alienate is country, largely eliminate them from intl trade,  caused Germany to shred its pacifist posture, cause Finland and Sweden to lean towards NATO and now even sway Switzerland, who never opposed Hitler.

 

The only thing he has left is a nuclear threat, and hopefully, the Russians will realize that is an idiotic, course.

 

Whatever the Russian word is for Valkryie, they need to think about it.

 

The Russian military performance has been amateur and pathetic.

 

We’re on day 4. There’s a 30-40 mile long convoy making its way to Kyiv by many accounts. Russia has it seems complete air superiority. 

 

Way early to say this is a pathetic operation. Just feel lucky that Putin is showing restraint in his urban attacks so far. Before you show the sites that have been hit so far, know that it could be a lot worse and may get a lot worse. 

 

Buying into the “The Ukraine is kicking ass” narrative is likely fools gold. I hope that I’m wrong but I suspect I’m not. 

 

Whether the Russians have the stomach for the Guerilla war that will come with occupation remains to be seen. 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Brandon doing a phenomenal job rallying the world against Putin and Trumpism.

 

No wonder DR is so threatened and unhinged - lmao

 

General Motors, Daimler Truck, Volvo and Volkswagen have suspended car sales to Russia.

 

Why do you keep bringing up DR?  

[Tiberius]

So we are going to be the generation that sat and watched Kyiv get murderously bombard and did nothing. Shameful. 

 

Its time to get involved 

 

[LeviF]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

 

For a month, Biden said there was going to be an invasion.  Turns out, he was right, even though  Putin couldn't even come up with a good reason to invade.  He's protecting Ukraine from Russians?  He's protecting Russians from Ukraine?  He hates NATO, even though NATO never threatened Russian borders once in their history?  But Putin went into Ukraine and actually made a case for why NATO exists in the first place.  Not smart.

 

Maybe before that, NATO could have gotten their **** together and come up with an actual deterrent.  The only real deterrent from Russia going into an unprepared Ukraine was to threaten Article 5 defense.  Only, that isn't a credible threat because Article 5 doesn't apply to Ukraine.  Hell, it may not be a deterrent at all, because it sure doesn't look like anyone wants to take on the Russians -- except poor Ukraine.  All I know is that threatening sanctions after the fact was lame, and it isn't going to get Russia to do an about-face.  Even Biden said "let's see what happens in 30 days".  30 days!?!?  He should have added: "after Ukraine has been crushed".

 

So instead, after-the-fact, NATO and the EU countries make Ukraine their proxy, doing everything except committing forces.  It is a loser play against Putin and yet it isn't too far removed from fighting directly. Talk about throwing money down a toilet.  At this point, if Putin wanted to make this into WWIII, then all he has to do is claim that providing arms to Ukraine, and sanctioning Russia on behalf of Ukraine, and stopping Russian air flights and shipping are all acts of aggression against Russia.  What's going to happen when Putin ratchets this conflict up to that next level?  People will say that NATO lost its chance to stop Putin with strength, and an entire country was destroyed -- because maybe that's pretty much the only thing he responds to.  Maybe the play now is to say that NATO will admit Ukraine in 5 days unless the Russians leave the country.

 

I've said it from the beginning that Putin is making a mistake.  But that doesn't mean the mistake had to have been made in the first place.

 

 

 

Whether it’s a mistake or not, we will see. 
 

But Putin explained all this a long time ago. He sees the courting of Ukraine by NATO as a threat to Russia. You may or may not believe him but that is what he’s indicated over the last decade or so. 

[John Adams]

28 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Ladies and Gentleman  -  Putin himself has a message for his cult:

 

 

It’s killing @Deranged Rhino that all of his work on behalf of Conald and Putin continues to go up in smoke while Brandon continues to build an international coalition to sanction DR’s bosses.

 

Why else would DR start a fresh thread to distract, deflect and white wash 1/6?

 

 

 

 

 

Why are you posting opinions of every Twitter idiot you can find? Please try to at least share real sources if you’re going to spit out Twitter pastes. 

 

You and B-Man are inverse clones of each other. You’re in second in the shirt poster contest but it’s a tighter race than it needs to be. 

[LeviF]

57 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Whatever the Russian word is for Valkryie, they need to think about it.

 

As you stated yourself, Russia carries with it the nuclear option. Is regime change really something that can reasonably be weighed?

[John Adams]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why do you keep bringing up DR?  

 

Jim and I agree on something!

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, John Adams said:

 

Jim and I agree on something!

You’d be shocked as to how much we could all agree on if BillStime would just stop polluting this board with partisan nonsense. 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Why are you posting opinions of every Twitter idiot you can find? Please try to at least share real sources if you’re going to spit out Twitter pastes. 

 

You and B-Man are inverse clones of each other. You’re in second in the shirt poster contest but it’s a tighter race than it needs to be. 

Your naïveté is so coy. 

[John Adams]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Your naïveté is so coy. 

 

You’re a moran. Go away.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, John Adams said:

 

You’re a moran. Go away.

 

Love you too!

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

You’re a moran. Go away.

Just like Hilary…everyone wants her to go away but she just keeps coming back, and is relentlessly sharing her fixation with all things Trump. Who knew Hilary was a Bills fan? At least that’s one redeeming quality!