BillStime Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: iran isnt a deflection. it was a response to you asking for a president who neg with terrorist. you had long list of specifics no one could meet when you asked has this been done. so not sure what that statement meant because i gave examples...they just did not meet your standard so i guess they never happened. truckers is in the damn video you posted with rand paul. so i responded. im not sure you read your own stuff at this point if you think those are deflections. the fact you are making a comparison between trumps economy and biden..one of the two where people are struggling to buy gas because its doubled kind of tells me this conversation will never be honest. the fact you think a 4 year president has done more destruction to ANYTHING then a life long politician whos been involved in presidential decisions for 9 years and in congress since 1972 reveals just how warped your view is. as if trump coverup of Khashoggi is unique to the US longstanding bloodshed for the Saudis. you'll cherry pick it because it pushes your worldview but here's the catch. trump was a piece of s#/t in alot of his decisions. i just dont think he was what the masses were brainwashed he was. he did good things too. that will never be acknowledged by people, like yourself so ill just end it here and let you get back to what you really want. red team vs blue team smackdown session. Ah I already read the garbage you wrote and then deleted and reposted w more garbage. I didn’t post anything about truckers in this thread - keep up. And yes - Trump negotiated with terrorists with an existing US backed government already in place. Trump did nothing to support that government and threw the keys to the Taliban when they needed an election year win. Keep spinning - deleting - and deflecting. 4 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Engaging in your funny antics, silly as they are. I like to keep the train wrecks going, grab my popcorn and watch you crash and burn. It’s fun! Of course you do - you want more of this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, BillStime said: " I didn’t post anything about truckers in this thread - keep up. " whats that at the bottom of the tweet? rand paul calls on truckers? like i said you dont even read your own posts 🤣😄😅😂 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: Ah I already read the garbage you wrote and then deleted and reposted w more garbage. I didn’t post anything about truckers in this thread - keep up. And yes - Trump negotiated with terrorists with an existing US backed government already in place. Trump did nothing to support that government and threw the keys to the Taliban when they needed an election year win. Keep spinning - deleting - and deflecting. Of course you do - you want more of this: dont go deleting this now - KEEP UP! 🤣😂😅😆 Edited February 13, 2022 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: whats that at the bottom of the tweet? rand paul calls on truckers? like i said you dont even read your own posts 🤣😄😅😂 dont go deleting this now 🤣😂😅😆 My bad and no need to delete - I was focused on the point that Trump pardoned Rands aid who was associated w Russian donations. So plus one one for @Buffarukus who is below water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 10 hours ago, BillStime said: Ah I already read the garbage you wrote and then deleted and reposted w more garbage. I didn’t post anything about truckers in this thread - keep up. And yes - Trump negotiated with terrorists with an existing US backed government already in place. Trump did nothing to support that government and threw the keys to the Taliban when they needed an election year win. Keep spinning - deleting - and deflecting. Of course you do - you want more of this: 🤣🤣😂😂 so silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Doc said: Joey must have, if he give him Nord Stream 2. Now he's giving Joey the middle finger. Yup, everything’s the Americans fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 15 hours ago, sherpa said: Absolute nonsense. The intel reports were uniform in conclusion and presented to both House and Senate Committees, as well as the White House. The vote is a historical record. The White House, while probably more leaning to using force, did not generate its own intel, nor the UK's nor anyone else's. I have no animosity towards you, but you seem to be so politically oriented that you are either ignorant of, or deny, reality. His point was right on. Sullivan said that office was being used to gin up a war in 2003. You deny this? Now it’s being used to stop a war. Ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 15 hours ago, sherpa said: The White House, while probably more leaning to using force, did not generate its own intel, nor the UK's nor anyone else's. Probably? Come on. And the second point is very debatable. Cheney was down at Langley leaning on the analysts. And the mushroom cloud comments they made were outlandish. And who pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq? It wasn’t Saddam, it was the Bush Administration in their rush to war. You know they didnt find WND, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Probably? Come on. And the second point is very debatable. Cheney was down at Langley leaning on the analysts. And the mushroom cloud comments they made were outlandish. And who pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq? It wasn’t Saddam, it was the Bush Administration in their rush to war. You know they didnt find WND, right? Can you tell me when Hans Blix ever found any weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Can you tell me when Hans Blix ever found any weapons? The latest theory is Iraqi WMD's were buried and hidden on Oak Island by the Knights Templar along with their missing treasure that disappeared from Europe in 1307. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Can you tell me when Hans Blix ever found any weapons? He sure as hell didn’t find any in Iraq, before Bush ordered him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He sure as hell didn’t find any in Iraq, before Bush ordered him out Hanz Blix was basically Colonel Schulz, he literally never found anything anywhere. He was in NK looking for weapons, never found them, said they were good, and 6 months later they had the weapons he claimed they did not. The UN sent Blix in because he is incompetent, if they wanted to see if Iraq actually had weapons there were several guys that the US was pushing for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup, everything’s the Americans fault. LOL! Nice deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Can you tell me when Hans Blix ever found any weapons? Ok there is no way I can hear that name and not think of this…. https://youtu.be/UIPSvIz9NDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Probably? Come on. And the second point is very debatable. Cheney was down at Langley leaning on the analysts. And the mushroom cloud comments they made were outlandish. And who pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq? It wasn’t Saddam, it was the Bush Administration in their rush to war. You know they didnt find WND, right? I am quite aware of what wasn't found. Cheney "leaning on analysts" does not remove their obligation to provide their best intel analysis, which they did, and which resulted in US and coalition intel services providing the same assessment. Your question about who pulled the inspectors out is meaningless. Saddam didn't have the authority to do it. Of course the many, many violations of the ceasefire agreement, as pointed out in countless UN statements and was the reason for their withdrawal, is evidently not important enough for you to acknowledge. Read UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997, submitted years before Bush. As well, turning on anti air defenses against coalition air assets patrolling the no fly zones is evidently OK? And none of that gets to the point of being impossible to simple babysit the lunatic for an infinite period of time. Edited February 13, 2022 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, sherpa said: I am quite aware of what wasn't found. Cheney "leaning on analysts" does not remove their obligation to provide their best intel analysis, which they did, and which resulted in US and coalition intel services providing the same assessment. Your question about who pulled the inspectors out is meaningless. Saddam didn't have the authority to do it. Of course the many, many violations of the ceasefire agreement, as pointed out in countless UN statements and was the reason for their withdrawal, is evidently not important enough for you to acknowledge. Read UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997, submitted years before Bush. As well, turning on anti air defenses against coalition air assets patrolling the no fly zones is evidently OK? And none of that gets to the point of being impossible to simple babysit the lunatic for an infinite period of time. My problem with the Iraq war, for one, is Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Was it something like 15 of 17 terrorists were Saudi nationals? What does that tell you? Connect the dots and follow the trail. But even now our government keeps secret the reports into the investigations of Saudi government, royal family, and other official involvement. It's simply too politically and strategically important to not embarrass and call out our Middle East "friend". Better for every administration since then to hide the truth from American citizens. But the decision was to go after Iraq. Supported by manufactured "evidence" and uncollaborated stories. Saddam's brutal secular dictatorship while undesirable, was keeping Iranian aspirations of greater control and influence in check. This was demonstrated by the Iraq/Iran war years earlier which was fought to a draw. But US decision makers went ahead and attacked Iraq. Toppled the government and plunged the country into chaos. And unchecked soon after, Iran started extending its influence into many Middle Eastern countries, including Shia militias and other radical groups ironically in Iraq. What did US policy makers expect would happen by removing Iraq and therefore removing Iran's natural enemy? So today Iran is the big threat. And they don't like the US. Can you blame them? In the 1950's the CIA instigated a coup and installed the Shah for twenty some years after the Iranian government pursued the nationalization of foreign oil holdings inside the country. And backed Iraq in the war with Iran then a few years later turned around and attacked Iraq which the US supported, funded, and armed in the fight. The US it seems has had an obsession with controlling Iran for 70 years. I guess the lesson is sometimes you get what you deserve rather than what you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, sherpa said: I am quite aware of what wasn't found. Cheney "leaning on analysts" does not remove their obligation to provide their best intel analysis, which they did, and which resulted in US and coalition intel services providing the same assessment. Your question about who pulled the inspectors out is meaningless. Saddam didn't have the authority to do it. Of course the many, many violations of the ceasefire agreement, as pointed out in countless UN statements and was the reason for their withdrawal, is evidently not important enough for you to acknowledge. Read UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997, submitted years before Bush. As well, turning on anti air defenses against coalition air assets patrolling the no fly zones is evidently OK? And none of that gets to the point of being impossible to simple babysit the lunatic for an infinite period of time. Ok, even if you are 100% correct here, the point stands, in 2003 the WH was used to gin up a war, while today it’s being used to stop a war. Cant understand who you can honestly disagree with that. You are acting lik this country had no choice but war, which is wholly untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: You are acting lik this country had no choice but war, which is wholly untrue. An entirely false premise. We had a choice, and I didn't think it was a good idea, but for reasons that you don't know. Nonetheless, the claim that it was not a unanimous decision by both the Senate, (Joe Biden included), the House and the Executive, having been presented conclusions by the career, professional intel services our country, and others by the way, provided is an escape maneuver designed to hindsight a decision made by all to gain political advantage. Of course the undisclosed reality at the time was that the then present state of affairs was not sustainable, a fact not apparently in your quiver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, sherpa said: An entirely false premise. We had a choice, and I didn't think it was a good idea, but for reasons that you don't know. Nonetheless, the claim that it was not a unanimous decision by both the Senate, (Joe Biden included), the House and the Executive, having been presented conclusions by the career, professional intel services our country, and others by the way, provided is an escape maneuver designed to hindsight a decision made by all to gain political advantage. Of course the undisclosed reality at the time was that the then present state of affairs was not sustainable, a fact not apparently in your quiver. The WH in 2003 was used to gin up a war. This is true Right now it’s being used to stop a war. What dont you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Can you tell me when Hans Blix ever found any weapons? What you know about the team of UN Missile Inspectors wouldn’t fill a thimble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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