I don't get it...why doesn't Daboll move the pocket more with Allen especially with quick middle pressure occurring so frequently

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Yes but it has to be drilled, practiced. 

 

This game, as in the Jets game, we saw more FB time, an extra blocker, etc. And in this Saints game the Bills used way more short passes, sweeps, even one 3 "backs" set. And... it worked. Very few long passes but they moved the ball at will. If they can mix back the long plays more as well, this is gold. Josh was still being forced to be a moving pocket way too often though. But anything that helps the OL, do it! 

They are capable of scoring 28-31 points per game taking what the defenses are running at us now. We have to practice & execute "being smart". We don't have to always fall back to 25 yard posts or deep balls. You can win alot of games,  even a SB with screens, short slants and dump offs. If you don't believe me ask Tom Brady who has never had a canon arm. Daboll has to make adjustments even if it's on a weekly basis. We'll need Brian to be better to continue this journey to a championship. 

[Mat68]

Are not really effective with the outside zone.   When the backside of the defense has to crash down the line to take away the cutbacks that allows for the time and space for that play.  DE playing Allen kills the play.  That has happened about half the time.  I liked the run action of Knox and Davis to create big plays yesterday.  

[Da webster guy]

Daboll should watch how Stefanski does this.   Browns are great at it.  

[ganesh]

On 11/26/2021 at 11:31 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

I continue to be amazed at how confused defenses are when Josh is under center…I’m guessing Josh just says he feels more comfortable back in shotgun as a reason 

Didn't someone post a few weeks back that Josh's numbers were through the roof when he starts under center?

What I am really missing with Allen this season is his ability to lead the receiver so that they can make plenty of YAC.  He seems to wait that split second long to throw the ball (in anticipation).   I saw that a lot last year...but this year not so much.

On 11/27/2021 at 4:41 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

With Allen's arm throwing back across the field should work well. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks try this almost every game.

I think the long pass to Diggs against the Jets late in the game was a mini roll to the right throw back left.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

On 11/27/2021 at 4:41 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

With Allen's arm throwing back across the field should work well. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks try this almost every game.

I think the long pass to Diggs against the Jets late in the game was a mini roll to the right throw back left.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

On 11/27/2021 at 4:41 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

With Allen's arm throwing back across the field should work well. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks try this almost every game.

I think the long pass to Diggs against the Jets late in the game was a mini roll to the right throw back left.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

Didn't someone post a few weeks back that Josh's numbers were through the roof when he starts under center?

What I am really missing with Allen this season is his ability to lead the receiver so that they can make plenty of YAC.  He seems to wait that split second long to throw the ball (in anticipation).   I saw that a lot last year...but this year not so much.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

 

With Allen's arm, probably not

[78thealltimegreat]

12 hours ago, ganesh said:

Didn't someone post a few weeks back that Josh's numbers were through the roof when he starts under center?

What I am really missing with Allen this season is his ability to lead the receiver so that they can make plenty of YAC.  He seems to wait that split second long to throw the ball (in anticipation).   I saw that a lot last year...but this year not so much.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

Throwing across the field has issues.  It allows Safeties to jump the route easily.   These results in turn overs more often than not.

Good point in college you can get away with throwing across the field in the nfl not so much 

[DrPJax]

On 11/26/2021 at 12:17 PM, Big Turk said:

 I simply don't understand with the pass blocking issues they have had why Daboll hasn't started moving the pocket more with Allen.  This would help with several things:

 

1) It would get Allen away from the immediate middle pressure that seems to be happening so much since Ford gets smoked more often than not

2) It would cause the DLine to have to chase Allen all over the field which would wear on them as the game wore on and tire them out, limiting their effectiveness as time went on from being tired.

3) This might also open up holes in the run game since a tired DLine would be less effective getting off blocks and tackling, leading to more arm tackles and poor technique.

4) It would allow Allen and his WR's more creativity in getting open downfield, and allow for misdirection throwbacks that could result in HUGE plays since the flow would be taking all the defenders towards the play side

5) It would force defenders to make a choice between defending Allen running the ball versus covering their man, or at least give them hesitation as to what they should do that would allow Allen to have an advantage where either they don't cover his rushing lane and he gets cheap yards or they leave a man uncovered downfield...it would also be something new the Bills are doing regularly so the tape on it wouldn't be out immediately for teams to have a good gameplan against it

 

Daboll is supposed to innovative, but having your mobile QB get pressured up the middle quickly which negates his mobility and play making ability doesn't seem to make much sense from a design standpoint...

This o line is giving up pressure from the center and edges , as Fina stated , they are not doing basic techniques well !  Defenses also know Josh is much more effective moving to his right , so they are not going to just sit and not bring pressure from that side.  Also these o line instabilities ( injuries, Covid etc) affect communication and they are already failing at picking up simple stunts. I would do more up tempo , change the snap count more, really work on screens to slow the rush, and do more protection in with the fb and play from under center to stop giving tells so much. Rolling out some is a good idea, but can’t be the entire solution.  Those defensive coordinators are smart once they have film. I fault Daboll for lack or variety , and the o line coach is not doing his job well.   Morse is the one stable piece playing with good health and is really intelligent.  Brown has great potential , Dawkins needs an off season to fully recover from a near death illness , and the rest are backups or journeyman types.  Williams is a passable guard but I think he is overrated based on last years play ( watch him in the afc championship game,,,,looked confused).  Josh looks most comfortable running up tempo so I would really go with that almost like the k gun years!  

[GunnerBill]

Because rolling out means you only have half the field to work with and against two deep shell defenses it really simplifies the defensive keys. I mean sure, try it... but when you give up as much pressure as the Bills have against straight up 4 man rushes there is no magic potion in the playbook for that. When it happened week 1 the cry was "more screens" and "more running" well they have tried both of those with no real success so roll outs is the latest suggested solution. Unfortunately there really is not much you can do when your line play is as bad as ours has been at times. It throws everything off.