Who is the Bills Joc Pederson?

[78thealltimegreat]

  Was watching the MLB Network and they where saying how important Joc Pederson was to the Atlanta Braves and them turning things around after losing their best player Ronald Acuna and of course ultimately winning the World Series.
  He walked into the locker room the first day after he was traded and the place was like a morgue so he went in and told the trainer turn the music up and started getting in their faces.

  Do the Bills even have this kind of player? 

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

  Was watching the MLB Network and they where saying how important Joc Pederson was to the Atlanta Braves and them turning things around after losing their best player Ronald Acuna and of course ultimately winning the World Series.
  He walked into the locker room the first day after he was traded and the place was like a morgue so he went in and told the trainer turn the music up and started getting in their faces.

  Do the Bills even have this kind of player? 

 

It needs to be Tremaine Edmunds. 

[Thurman#1]

This is typical after-a-loss nonsense.

 

One team has a guy like that and the internet thinks it sounds good and so every team needs the same thing. It's exactly the same thing as calls for screaming and complaints about being soft and whining about a lack of aggression and whinging about not having a Ray Lewis or whatever other player comes to mind, or needing bickering like the bickering Bills.

 

It sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn't.

 

Plenty of great teams don't have guys like that. And plenty do. Every great team has leadership. But great leadership comes in a million different flavors. Some loud, some quiet. Some by example. 

 

The problem with the Bills isn't a lack of screaming or getting in people's faces. It's getting Edmunds and Lotulelei and Feliciano and Spencer Brown healthy again. It's adapting to the new defensive tactics that the whole league is now using on Mahomes and Allen and those like them. It's Allen learning to take the high-percentage shorter pass over the low-percentage longer ball a lot of the time until it forces teams to start defending tougher on the short game. It's cutting down the penalties. 

 

It's adjustments, playing smarter, getting healthy, better coaching and better execution, just as it usually is. And in the long run, adjusting the schemes and getting guys who better fit the new schemes and needs.

 

The awesome thing about these dumb ideas is that they can be put into a sentence or two and it sounds all macho. When the actual solution is usually a ton of details and small changes and adaptations and improvements, and it doesn't sound particularly macho.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Thurman#1

[MJS]

15 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

It needs to be Tremaine Edmunds. 

Why? Can't it be any of the other 52 on the roster?

[Andy1]

Should be Jerry Hughes.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Andy1 said:

Should be Jerry Hughes.

I think he’s lost his fire. I don’t think he’s even roughed a passer once so far this season 

[DrDawkinstein]

Not sure the Bills need a Joc Pederson to bring in the fun. Seems we've had too much of that already.

 

They need a winning vet to get people focused. Someone to turn the music off, kick the social media team out of the training room, and put everyone to work.

[Gugny]

What this team needs is a good old fashioned brawl.

 

Like when Gronk assaulted Tre White with his body armor.  The way the Bills defended Tre and got in Gronk's face and kicked his ass .... oh, wait ....

[LABILLBACKER]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

This is typical after-a-loss nonsense.

 

One team has a guy like that and the internet thinks it sounds good and so every team needs the same thing. It's exactly the same thing as calls for screaming and complaints about being soft and whining about a lack of aggression and whinging about not having a Ray Lewis or whatever other player comes to mind, or needing bickering like the bickering Bills.

 

It sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn't.

 

Plenty of great teams don't have guys like that. And plenty do. Every great team has leadership. But great leadership comes in a million different flavors. Some loud, some quiet. Some by example. 

 

The problem with the Bills isn't a lack of screaming or getting in people's faces. It's getting Edmunds and Lotulelei and Feliciano and Spencer Brown healthy again. It's adapting to the new defensive tactics that the whole league is now using on Mahomes and Allen and those like them. It's Allen learning to take the high-percentage shorter pass over the low-percentage longer ball a lot of the time until it forces teams to start defending tougher on the short game. It's cutting down the penalties. 

 

It's adjustments, playing smarter, getting healthy, better coaching and better execution, just as it usually is. And in the long run, adjusting the schemes and getting guys who better fit the new schemes and needs.

 

 

This is the winning answer. 

[MPL]

Can Joc Pederson play Guard? 
 

[UConn James]

Somebody needs to wear a pearl necklace on the field?

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, UConn James said:

Somebody needs to wear a pearl necklace on the field?

I thought we didn't want OBJ 😆😆😆

[78thealltimegreat]

47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

This is typical after-a-loss nonsense.

 

One team has a guy like that and the internet thinks it sounds good and so every team needs the same thing. It's exactly the same thing as calls for screaming and complaints about being soft and whining about a lack of aggression and whinging about not having a Ray Lewis or whatever other player comes to mind, or needing bickering like the bickering Bills.

 

It sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn't.

 

Plenty of great teams don't have guys like that. And plenty do. Every great team has leadership. But great leadership comes in a million different flavors. Some loud, some quiet. Some by example. 

 

The problem with the Bills isn't a lack of screaming or getting in people's faces. It's getting Edmunds and Lotulelei and Feliciano and Spencer Brown healthy again. It's adapting to the new defensive tactics that the whole league is now using on Mahomes and Allen and those like them. It's Allen learning to take the high-percentage shorter pass over the low-percentage longer ball a lot of the time until it forces teams to start defending tougher on the short game. It's cutting down the penalties. 

 

It's adjustments, playing smarter, getting healthy, better coaching and better execution, just as it usually is. And in the long run, adjusting the schemes and getting guys who better fit the new schemes and needs.

 

The awesome thing about these dumb ideas is that they can be put into a sentence or two and it sounds all macho. When the actual solution is usually a ton of details and small changes and adaptations and improvements, and it doesn't sound particularly macho.

 

 

They lost 42-15 to a mediocre football team at home and two weeks ago they lost 9-6 to one of the three worst teams in football yeh you keep whistling past the graveyard pal 

8 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Actually, it does make sense to have a leader like Ray Lewis who was a 2X Super Bowl Champion, along with Michael Striahan who was a 1X Super Bowl Champion, and really having someone call it nonsense to have a player like that is literally a joke.  You are not a literary analyst like WNY native Donald E. Westlake and those guys didn't bicker they led and will lead by example.  The awesome thing about being condescending is that you don't know someone else will pull the rug out from under you and cold read you.  Quit provoking and trying to get emotional responses to see those you disagree with kicked off the boards.  Moderators should be looking at that effort of condescending tones anyway.

Exactly what I was saying man who is the Ray Lewis or Michael Irvin in that locker room can anyone name the guy? 

24 minutes ago, MPL said:

Can Joc Pederson play Guard? 
 

Can anyone currently on the Bills actually play guard and not get pushed back into Josh either? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

This is typical after-a-loss nonsense.

 

One team has a guy like that and the internet thinks it sounds good and so every team needs the same thing. It's exactly the same thing as calls for screaming and complaints about being soft and whining about a lack of aggression and whinging about not having a Ray Lewis or whatever other player comes to mind, or needing bickering like the bickering Bills.

 

It sounds like it makes sense, but it doesn't.

 

Indeed. 

 

Among other things, MLB has a roster of what? 26?, 8 starters plus pitchers and backups.  Of the starters, almost every player plays both offense and defense every inning of every game.  

 

In football, not only is there a separate offense and defense, there are separate position groups within each roster.  So can one up-beat high-energy guy make a difference, sure, but not as much.

 

47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Plenty of great teams don't have guys like that. And plenty do. Every great team has leadership. But great leadership comes in a million different flavors. Some loud, some quiet. Some by example. 

 

The problem with the Bills isn't a lack of screaming or getting in people's faces. It's getting Edmunds and Lotulelei and Feliciano and Spencer Brown healthy again. It's adapting to the new defensive tactics that the whole league is now using on Mahomes and Allen and those like them. It's Allen learning to take the high-percentage shorter pass over the low-percentage longer ball a lot of the time until it forces teams to start defending tougher on the short game. It's cutting down the penalties. 

 

It's adjustments, playing smarter, getting healthy, better coaching and better execution, just as it usually is. And in the long run, adjusting the schemes and getting guys who better fit the new schemes and needs.

 

The awesome thing about these dumb ideas is that they can be put into a sentence or two and it sounds all macho. When the actual solution is usually a ton of details and small changes and adaptations and improvements, and it doesn't sound particularly macho.

 

Yep, especially this

[Sugar High JA17]

I think the most depressing part, is they are beating themselves.

[BuffaninSarasota]

4 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

I think the most depressing part, is they are beating themselves.

 

I think the Colts would disagree. They beat the Bills like a drum in all 3 phases of the game. It's getting a bit cliche at this point to say the Bills are beating themselves.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I think its Jake Fromm

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

They lost 42-15 to a mediocre football team at home and two weeks ago they lost 9-6 to one of the three worst teams in football yeh you keep whistling past the graveyard pal 

 

No one is "whistling past the graveyard".  Everyone knows that the Bills have lost 3 out of their last 5 games and have gone from being a division leader in contention for the AFC 1st seed, to a team in contention for the wildcard slot.

 

The question is how to fix it.  There is a lot that needs fixing, but Joc Pederson (a single guy who is playing music and in people's face) is not the answer.

 

14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Can anyone currently on the Bills actually play guard and not get pushed back into Josh either? 

 

That's a good question, but it illustrates the complexity needed for the answer.  There are guys who can maybe hold up and not get pushed back into Josh for 2.5 seconds, but that won't help if Josh is holding the ball for 3.4 seconds.  We can put more guys in to protect, but that won't work if the guys we send out to the pattern can't get open in 2.5 or 3.4 seconds and it results in Josh forcing the ball and turning it over.  We can run for short gains and take short passes, but that won't work if we don't play mistake-free ball and avoid penalties that put us in a 3 and 18 hole.

[78thealltimegreat]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No one is "whistling past the graveyard".  Everyone knows that the Bills have lost 3 out of their last 5 games and have gone from being a division leader in contention for the AFC 1st seed, to a team in contention for the wildcard slot.

 

The question is how to fix it.  There is a lot that needs fixing, but Joc Pederson (a single guy who is playing music and in people's face) is not the answer.

 

 

That's a good question, but it illustrates the complexity needed for the answer.  There are guys who can maybe hold up and not get pushed back into Josh for 2.5 seconds, but that won't help if Josh is holding the ball for 3.4 seconds.  We can put more guys in to protect, but that won't work if the guys we send out to the pattern can't get open in 2.5 or 3.4 seconds and it results in Josh forcing the ball and turning it over.  We can run for short gains and take short passes, but that won't work if we don't play mistake-free ball and avoid penalties that put us in a 3 and 18 hole.

We will agree to disagree about a “Joc Pederson” because quite frankly there isn’t one on the Bills cause of their culture of being business like 

 what your saying about guard play means you think the personnel the bills have aren’t suited for the style offense they play which is true 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

I think the Colts would disagree. They beat the Bills like a drum in all 3 phases of the game. It's getting a bit cliche at this point to say the Bills are beating themselves.

 

Of course the Colts would disagree.  But on the first drive, the Colts didn't commit two back to back pre-snap penalties that put the Bills into a 3-and-18 hole, then throw an interception.  The Bills did that.

 

On the drive after the Bills went right down the field and scored a TD, the Colts didn't commit a stupid "Roughing the Passer" penalty and a stupid DPI penalty that took it from 3rd and 8 at the Colts 27 to first down at the the Colts 42.  The Bills did that, and if the rest of the drive is the same that's the difference between 3 pts and a punt.

 

Josh Allen threw catchable balls that his receivers failed to haul in.  It wasn't that they were super well defended; our guys just didn't hang on.  The Bills did that.

 

Isaiah McKenzie had an untouched fumble on a kickoff return, caused by the ground.  The Colts didn't do that.  The Bills did that.

 

So yes, the Colts played well and deserved to win.  But the Bills beat themselves in all 3 phases, with dumb penalties, drops, and turnovers.  If the Bills hadn't beaten themselves, they might have won; they might still have lost, but it would have been a close competitive game.  They wouldn't have shat the bed in a rout.

 

And yes, the Colts would disagree, but it's not "cliche' to say that the Bills are beating themselves; it's true, critical to understanding what's going on and fixing it.  The Bills don't need to wear pearls or have Joc Pederson playing music in the locker room or yelling at people; they need to get back to playing fundamentally sound, disciplined, football.