Again the offense is just off....

[Gugny]

32 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

How exactly did he "ignore" the trenches?

 

First four (!) Bills draft picks in 2021 were OL or DL, our first pick year before was DL, we got Star back this year, he resigned Williams and Feliciano and it is hard to argue that at least first one was above average in pass blocking last year.

 

You can say that he is making wrong moves but he is not ignoring DL and OL.

 

And I am always wondering what are fans expecting. In my understanding there were like 3 or 4 interior linemen available in FA who were "sure" upgrades versus what we had. But there are 32 teams in the league, competing for same players. Some players want to go elsewhere, some just want money and maybe Beane didn't want to overpay (which is a good thing in general). Maybe he really should draft Humphrey instead of Basham, but it is not like he has thousands of options and he is blind to see them. Again, we can always argue that he made wrong moves but he is not ignoring trenches.

 

Wrong word.

 

He did a horrible job addressing the trenches.  Both of our lines suck.  Badly.

 

[Billsfan1972]

For the last month every thread I posted there were a # here telling me how full of it I was and how stoopid I was posting such drivel .

 

I made observations as to what was happening in the moment and figure  btw teef where are you to insult me)d that the Bills would correct it.

 

Funny I still think they will.

 

However a # are pretty quiet (btw Teef where are you to insult me now???), because it seems I was right.  

 

THis team is way too good to be playing like this.

 

Yep patting myself on the back......😜

Edited November 22, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/josh-allen-patrick-mahomes-two-high-cover-two-data-11637552010?st=eszmchtgi8gx64h&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

The problem for offenses like the Chiefs and Bills is they thrive on going deep and aren’t as accustomed to nickeling and diming their way down the field. On early downs, excluding situations when the game is out of hand, Kansas City has passed 62.3% of the time—the second most often in the league entering Sunday’s games, according to rbsdm.com. 

The team that’s far and away first in that early-down passing metric: the Bills, at 68.7%. 

Typically, that’s one of the things that makes their offenses cutting edge and effective. But their struggles to do that against these defenses they’re seeing more often has weaponized their own styles against them. 

 

***

 

Allen hasn’t struggled quite as much as Mahomes in these situations, with 0.187 EPA against two-high going into Sunday. But it has also been deployed against him effectively, with the past few weeks showing how. The team that used it most against him, the Jaguars, limited what had been the NFL’s best offense to its worst output of the season. Allen, afterward, said Jacksonville used “two-high shells forcing us to throw underneath” and that he didn’t do a good enough job against it.  

“We’re going to learn from this,” he added. 

Fortunately for Allen, the next week he played the New York Jets, who apparently didn’t know much about this. They used two-high just three times against him—and Allen torched them in a 45-17 win. 

Excellent find. Best analysis I've read yet. This comment on the Jets is hilarious:

 

Allen hasn’t struggled quite as much as Mahomes in these situations, with 0.187 EPA against two-high going into Sunday. But it has also been deployed against him effectively, with the past few weeks showing how. The team that used it most against him, the Jaguars, limited what had been the NFL’s best offense to its worst output of the season. Allen, afterward, said Jacksonville used “two-high shells forcing us to throw underneath” and that he didn’t do a good enough job against it.  

“We’re going to learn from this,” he added. 

Fortunately for Allen, the next week he played the New York Jets, who apparently didn’t know much about this. They used two-high just three times against him—and Allen torched them in a 45-17 win. 

That changed again Sunday. The Colts showered him with those looks. Allen struggled, again. He threw two interceptions and ended the game on the bench after getting blown out 41-15. 

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Excellent find. Best analysis I've read yet. This comment on the Jets is hilarious:

 

Allen hasn’t struggled quite as much as Mahomes in these situations, with 0.187 EPA against two-high going into Sunday. But it has also been deployed against him effectively, with the past few weeks showing how. The team that used it most against him, the Jaguars, limited what had been the NFL’s best offense to its worst output of the season. Allen, afterward, said Jacksonville used “two-high shells forcing us to throw underneath” and that he didn’t do a good enough job against it.  

“We’re going to learn from this,” he added. 

Fortunately for Allen, the next week he played the New York Jets, who apparently didn’t know much about this. They used two-high just three times against him—and Allen torched them in a 45-17 win. 

That changed again Sunday. The Colts showered him with those looks. Allen struggled, again. He threw two interceptions and ended the game on the bench after getting blown out 41-15. 

Regardless there hen should be a lot underneath.  It was Jax for darn sakes.

 

Either Allen is a star and this offense is elite or they are paper tigers.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[fasteddie]

When the opposing team puts a 2 score lead on us, JA seems to press too much. Every pass seems to be off, whether it be wide where the receiver can barely get a hand on it , or more often, the pass sails high.

Then there is the unexplainable push passes where the ball lands at the receivers feet.

Until he relies on the fundamentals,  he will be just a good QB, not a great one.

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

For the last month every thread I posted there were a # here telling me how full of it I was and how stoopid I was posting such drivel .

 

I made observations as to what was happening in the moment and figure  btw teef where are you to insult me)d that the Bills would correct it.

 

Funny I still think they will.

 

However a # are pretty quiet (btw Teef where are you to insult me now???), because it seems I was right.  

 

THis team is way too good to be playing like this.

 

Yep patting myself on the back......😜

@teef come get your beating.

[BillsfaninSB]

4 hours ago, motorj said:

I figured the game was going to be off when Ford killed the momentum with the penalty where Allen was going to run for a big one. Then the McKenzie fumble pretty much sealed it. 

That was one of a few key plays that gave me a sense this was going to be a loss.   I hated that chip kickoff in the opening.   I knew that was a bad sign. Same with that missed sure sack. 

 

In all fairness to Cody,  Williams was offside too.  Could have been called on either player. 

[DaggersEOD]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Need to get Cole going more. He makes the offense go and we have got to get more targets there. 

I was thinking the same thing. 
 

Whenever Cole is the focus, the ball comes out quickly and Cole always seems to be open. A couple of those plays and all of a sudden the rest of the O gets switched on. 
 

However, when he’s not part of the game plan, we have games like this one. 
 

IMO Cole is the key to our O. We need him involved regularly and begin the search for a comparable physical talent to groom behind him. 

[Behindenemylines]

12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

The weather was bad for both teams.  Bills didn’t have it after the initial pick. Even that drive seemed labored 

[Billsfan1972]

9 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

The weather was bad for both teams.  Bills didn’t have it after the initial pick. Even that drive seemed labored 

And everytime I said this earlier in the year, I was told how ridiculous a statement it was as the Bills offense was #1.

[BananaB]

22 hours ago, Andy1 said:

We have all seen teams worse than our Bills overcome 24-7 deficits with a half a game still to play. They seem to be missing inner mental strength to overcome difficulties. Maybe they got spoiled on a soft schedule. Maybe coaches aren’t adjusting enough. Maybe they just think Josh will pull a rabbit out of a hat to win. They were missing key players yesterday but good teams find a way to overcome obstacles. Whatever it is, they better figure it out soon.

How often have you seen it in a rain and wind storm? How often have you seen it, when the opposing offense is still scoring every time they touch the ball. 
 

The O is off, I have been saying all year they have not lived up to potential but to judge them after Sunday’s loss is ridiculous. 24-7 and the only stepped on the field twice. Sure the first interception hurt but our D gotta play better then they did. You can’t catch up when the D gives up points on every drive. Bills moved the ball quite well early but mistakes lead to a turnover and Bass missed two kicks. Even if Allen didn’t throw the first pick, 3 points was not a guarantee there in that weather. 

Edited November 23, 2021 by BananaB

[Behindenemylines]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And everytime I said this earlier in the year, I was told how ridiculous a statement it was as the Bills offense was #1.

Agree with you it’s been all year. I was thinking initially it was the pressure of Allen’s contract expectations and he needed to settle in.  I think it’s just horrid coaching at this point from our OC.  We are predictable and boring and lack energy. 

[teef]

21 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

For the last month every thread I posted there were a # here telling me how full of it I was and how stoopid I was posting such drivel .

 

I made observations as to what was happening in the moment and figure  btw teef where are you to insult me)d that the Bills would correct it.

 

Funny I still think they will.

 

However a # are pretty quiet (btw Teef where are you to insult me now???), because it seems I was right.  

 

THis team is way too good to be playing like this.

 

Yep patting myself on the back......😜

give me a ***** break.  every time the bills lose, you come back to thump your chest?   this post alone warrants you being ***** on.  

 

let's not forget...you're the guy who said he'd rather see a 300 yard game than a win.  you're not to be taken seriously.

Edited November 23, 2021 by teef

[colin]

we need a return to basics like crazy, and daboll simply isn't competent.

 

our corches are overconfident and arrogant.  not having adjustments, just going back to the well over and over again when nothing is working, putting in moss over breida, it's all so tiresome.

 

if mcd is worth his salt, he's slapping the double burger with cheese out of dabolls mouth and pressing his face into a sign that reads "KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID" right now.

[RyanC883]

23 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

In fairness he hasn't ignored the defensive side of the ball. They made a concentrated effort to improve their pass rush. 

 

hasn’t worked, almost worse.  Our scouts or Bean are awful.  

[Bookie Man]

Daboll is a stubborn play caller

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

hasn’t worked, almost worse.  Our scouts or Bean are awful.  

It's a work in progress I suppose. 

[Billsfan1972]

59 minutes ago, teef said:

give me a ***** break.  every time the bills lose, you come back to thump your chest?   this post alone warrants you being ***** on.  

 

let's not forget...you're the guy who said he'd rather see a 300 yard game than a win.  you're not to be taken seriously.

Great response.  Not surprised Teef.  I'm a huge Bills fan and always have them going 16-0 and think no deficit is too big.  Go find the 300 yard comment and the context and the year.  Pretty sure it was having enough of 150 yard passing games and unable to score 20 points a game and going longer then any NFL team the last 20 years going 48 games unable to reach a 300 yard game.  

 

You've been going after me over and over and frankly I haven't said outlandish things.  Stated facts that a fan sees watching the game and was told how wrong I was.  I than each time said all I want is wins and thought all is fixable.  Still do.

 

Sunday and Jax were pathetic.

 

But happy to hear you got properly drunk on Sunday.

 

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Great response.  Not surprised Teef.  I'm a huge Bills fan and always have them going 16-0 and think no deficit is too big.  Go find the 300 yard comment and the context and the year.  Pretty sure it was having enough of 150 yard passing games and unable to score 20 points a game and going longer then any NFL team the last 20 years going 48 games unable to reach a 300 yard game.  

 

You've been going after me over and over and frankly I haven't said outlandish things.  Stated facts that a fan sees watching the game and was told how wrong I was.  I than each time said all I want is wins and thought all is fixable.  Still do.

 

Sunday and Jax were pathetic.

 

But happy to hear you got properly drunk on Sunday.

 

 

when you stop creating thread strictly for attention, poster,(and not just me) may respond a bit better.  this all started with you not thinking diggs was getting enough targets.  people didn't think it was a big deal, and it wasn't because the offense was working.  somehow this evolved into you calling out the offense not playing well, and this childish nonsense began.  

 

you create threads, and even when people give you proper responses, you just ignore the conversation, and key in on if someone calls you out.  it's what you want, and you act shocked when it happens.

 

i have zero idea what's going on in your life, but this need for attention is insane.  when we see a tread that you've started, most of us realize it's not to have a discussion, but to start this kind of nonsense.  it's sad.  if you need it, so be it, but most of us don't.  the game was terrible, but i had fun because i was with family and friends.  yesterday i took off to spend more time with my family that's up for the holidays.  you know...the important stuff in life?  

 

 

[billsfan_34]

On 11/22/2021 at 7:23 AM, Billsfan1972 said:

Said it before, but yesterday again brought it to light.  24-7 I still thought tds to end the half and start the second was in the cards.

 

But they were terrible.  Yes the weather was bad, but again, just so little from the offense when needed.

 

What's going on?

O line and crap RBs…it is that simple.