When does McD go on the hot seat?

[colin]

I dunno about all this Pederson talk and what not, but I do know Frank Reich is a much better head coach than mcd.  His team doesn't fall apart at the first sign of adversity, and he is plugging in qbs and safeties and ol and putting his team in a position to win.

 

Our team is just like the teams MCD was dc on before he got here.  Over all good solid teams, but front runners who don't take some push back well 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

As much as I hate to contribute to the over-reactionary, dramatic posts made after a loss, I feel this at least needs to be discussed.

 

First, I HATE the idea of changing coaches again. Good organizations do not do this. They simply make the adjustments where needed, and keep the ship sailing. So I do not suggest this lightly.

 

That said, while McD has been EXACTLY what the Bills needed as a culture-changing rebuilder, I am not sure he is the type of cut-throat destroyer needed to take our talent to the next level, keep the team playing tough, and lead us to the promise land for a Championship.

 

Reid, Arians, Belichick, Carroll... None of these guys are exactly "kumbaya culture" guys.

 

I dont know what else it will take to get this group pissed off and fired up to win. We are soft and finesse-y on both sides of the ball...

 

And this isnt even getting into how woefully unprepared we have been for most games this season, and how poor our players are at even the basics (tackling, catching, protecting the ball, etc).

 

Dude needs to show us something, fast.

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, McBean said:

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, McBean said:

I can answer this real quick.

 

Never.

 

He’s our Marvin Lewis. 

 

One of the worst comparisons I've ever seen on this board.

[McBean]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

Just now, Simon said:

 

One of the worst comparisons I've ever seen on this board.

Why?

 

Lewis was safe no matter what for 15 years. You mean to tell me you think his best friend Brandon Beane who happens to be our GM is going to fire him? GTFO

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

He's under contract through 2025 so unless we'd like to pay yet another coach for the privilege to not coach for us, he's not going anywhere. 

Do you know how many people Pegula has paid to not work for him?

 

One thing Pegula has taught us, for sure, is that lengthy K term means nothing with him.

 

If he decides its time for you to go, you're gone.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

13 minutes ago, colin said:

I dunno about all this Pederson talk and what not, but I do know Frank Reich is a much better head coach than mcd.  His team doesn't fall apart at the first sign of adversity, and he is plugging in qbs and safeties and ol and putting his team in a position to win.

 

Our team is just like the teams MCD was dc on before he got here.  Over all good solid teams, but front runners who don't take some push back well 

McD will have huge support at this forum for as long as he is the coach, simply because he is the coach.

 

A HC in the NFL has many diverse job descriptions.  In game decision making type stuff was never a strong point for McDermott, and he's actually improved somewhat at it over time.

 

What concerns me lately is that the other stuff that he has been very good at has turned bad.

 

I'm talking pregame preparation, leadership, determination, execution, playing penalty-free ball, and stuff like that.

 

He was never a great X and O tactician to begin with; if the other stuff is going to start to slide as well....

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, McBean said:

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

 

Maybe.

But he also deserves to be safe now and he has earned that right.

 

He completely changed the culture of this franchise and just went to the AFCCG last year.

 

If he craps the bed and the bills miss the playoffs this year and next, then it's time to revisit if he should be safe or not IMO

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, McBean said:

What I mean by that is Marvin was safe forever no matter what. Like McDermott is here. 

Why?

 

Lewis was safe no matter what for 15 years. You mean to tell me you think his best friend Brandon Beane who happens to be our GM is going to fire him? GTFO

They are not remotely similar people.

They are not remotely similar coaches.

The teams they built are polar opposites

Their career arcs bear no resemblance to one another

They have zero in common.

 

[SinceThe70s]

22 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That's a little harsh lol.

 

Did Marvin Lewis even win a playoff game as a head coach?

 

And he was there for what , 15-16 years?

 

 

 

Nice call out.

[Boatdrinks]

I’d venture it won’t be while he has a winning record. The team has 1 more loss than they did after 10 games a season ago. I think a McD hot seat situation is a long way off.

[zow2]

McDermott is on my hot seat list. He should be. They were out coached and out schemed today badly.  That’s on him. He’s a nice guy, maybe too nice. This team needs to be whipped into a tougher squad. They are weak. 

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Most teams must be dealing with this - so (serious question) what would be the difference that other teams are dealing well, and the Bills might (as you hypothesize) be letting it divide them?

 

 

I’m not persuaded that’s the problem, though it’s an interesting hypothesis.  

 

I think that McDermott and Frazier really don’t have an effective defensive plan for a team with a punishing physical runner behind a top OL AND a QB who can make all the throws, especially when they’re missing 2 starters.  And I think Daboll doesn’t have an effective offensive plan for a run game that works with 3 backups playing on an already “Meh” OL.  I think the players go into the game not really believing in the plan and Allen goes into the game feeling like it’s all on him.

 

I’ll have to go listen to the presser I suppose, but saying he “supported their decisions” vs. expressing concern for their health makes it sound as though they’re not particularly ill and sounds like an aberration coming from McDermott, who is usually so centered around “people first”

 

 

The difference may be that the Bills reportedly have one of the lowest vax rates in the league.    If only 60-70% are vaxxed.........that's a lot of unvaccinated players.

 

And what we are seeing is a Bills team that does not play disciplined, complementary football.    

 

The game today turned,  IMO,  on a ridiculously selfish play by Mario Addison where he decided to fake that he was pushed into Carson Wentz so he could take a pointless cheap shot at him.  

 

Instead of the Bills receiving a punt down by 7 points after just scoring a TD on the prior drive...........the defense stays on the field and then makes several more assignment mistakes(including another big mistake by Addison).......and gives up a score........and then McKenzie carelessly forgets to protect the ball on his return and in a flash the score reaches a point where the crowd is now out of the game and the Colts will never have to abandon the run while the Bills are in chase mode on offense.   McDermott made sure to to mention the Addison play.......and clarify that he wasn't talking about the "call" by the ref.......but the play by Addison.

 

As for the notion that they need a better game plan versus rushing teams..........run defense is not about scheme........it's about technique and want-to.    Two things they have been quick to lose.....along with composure........when punched in the mouth.    A lack of heart, focus on assignments and then a lot of bad personal decisions aren't what we expect from a team supposedly bonded together by the loving team environment supposedly created by the process.

 

And then there is Josh Allen...........he's not playing complementary football.........he's trying to take games into his own hands because,  IMO,  he doesn't trust his teammates.

 

[KeLLy1278]

2 hours ago, BattlinBill said:

Ummm...he has made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years after two decades of hopelessness. How about we pump the brakes a bit.

You are absolutely right about that but have you seen this team play as of late?  They’re lost!  Two penalties on one play, a penalty every few minutes, a quarterback who doesn’t know how to reel himself in, an OL that takes plays off and apparently the defense does the same now.  Then you listen to Sean after the game and he says the team needs to have a winning mentality.  So I guess Sean hasn’t managed to get the message across just yet.🙄.  It’s just wearing thin at this point.  This team has a lot of talent but loses games to Jacksonville and then get’s absolutely embarrassed at home mind you.. to WORLD BEATERS named the Colts.  

Sean needs to get his damn act together now.  Period.   Having a debacle of a performance will trigger that and it’s well deserved.  This fan base is pissed off and they should be because we deserve better!

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The difference may be that the Bills reportedly have one of the lowest vax rates in the league.    If only 60-70% are vaxxed.........that's a lot of unvaccinated players.

 

And what we are seeing is a Bills team that does not play disciplined, complementary football.    

 

The game today turned,  IMO,  on a ridiculously selfish play by Mario Addison where he decided to fake that he was pushed into Carson Wentz so he could take a pointless cheap shot at him.  

 

Instead of the Bills receiving a punt down by 7 points after just scoring a TD on the prior drive...........the defense stays on the field and then makes several more assignment mistakes(including another big mistake by Addison).......and gives up a score........and then McKenzie carelessly forgets to protect the ball on his return and in a flash the score reaches a point where the crowd is now out of the game and the Colts will never have to abandon the run while the Bills are in chase mode on offense.   McDermott made sure to to mention the Addison play.......and clarify that he wasn't talking about the "call" by the ref.......but the play by Addison.

 

As for the notion that they need a better game plan versus rushing teams..........run defense is not about scheme........it's about technique and want-to.    Two things they have been quick to lose.....along with composure........when punched in the mouth.    A lack of heart, focus on assignments and then a lot of bad personal decisions aren't what we expect from a team supposedly bonded together by the loving team environment supposedly created by the process.

 

And then there is Josh Allen...........he's not playing complementary football.........he's trying to take games into his own hands because,  IMO,  he doesn't trust his teammates.

 

I agree with all of this, save fir the part about Addison costing us a first down.  We had a PI on Klein that was declined on the same play.  
 

Still, the points are well taken.  It’s hard enough to win in this league.  Then, probably a third of our team is not protected from an easily preventable reason to miss multiple games.   I know McD takes COVID seriously — his was the only family masked on a flight to Orlando after last season and before COVID hit.  And yet he WR3 blabs all over social media about freedom this and constitution that, LT1 darn near died and is probably still not back to good after his bout with COVID, PR1 treated it like a joke until he got his wake up call, LG1 felt the same way, and then got vaxxed, but not until he lost 20 pounds without telling his bosses, LG2 had his own COVID bout, RG2 is forced into action and is playing like a space cadet, RT1 inconveniently misses two games after his dust up with COVID, 1 tech DT 1 did the same thing, RB1 is beyond casual with the ball, the OC refuses to feed Diggs, and franchise QB1 is under constant duress.  It is a freaking mess right now. 

[Billsflyer12]

What can we fairly hold McD responsible for today?  Overall?

[george c]

Such overreaction. LOL.

Guys we’re out, and there is no running game. O line has regressed.

Want to fault someone, fault Beane for not addressing a glaring need for a running back 

[Beast]

The earliest he would be on the hot seat is the end of next season.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Beast

[SoCal Deek]

McD is in way over his head. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Unfortunately in the NFL you get punched in the face a lot! McD has zero answers.

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, george c said:

Such overreaction. LOL.

Guys we’re out, and there is no running game. O line has regressed.

Want to fault someone, fault Beane for not addressing a glaring need for a running back 

If I’m Beane, I’d tell McDermott to fire your OC.  I draft the best Guard in the League and can’t use him in your offense.  It’s not the personnel.  It’s the offensive philosophy.