Time to bring out the pitchforks for Beane ?

[Teddy KGB]

What do we do going forward ?    Does he take a draft off so someone else can bring in some decent linemen ? 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[Process]

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Process said:

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

Seems like Beane has done well but has a blindspot for adding quality O Linemen.   
 

I’m not sure if I should be happy about Oliver Epanesa etc as well.  

[Beast]

Nah. I believe it has more to do with the team actually bought into their hype more than anything. Their heads are up their ass.

[97bills]

Couldn’t find my pitchfork. 

[Billzgobowlin]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

I think Spencer Brown and Greg Rousseau were some solid players this year.  We need interior players not necessarily linemen.  It seems like everyone complained about the pass rush last year and it was addressed.

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

I think you could say this about every ostensibly good team.

We've seen what the Cardinals are without Kyler, what the Packers are without Aaron, etc., etc.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Seems like Beane has done well but has a blindspot for adding quality O Linemen.   
 

I’m not sure if I should be happy about Oliver Epanesa etc as well.  

 

Ed has had a good year but he still hasn't justified his draft status and I say that as someone who is a big fan. 

 

Ultimately Beane has spent 12 day 1 and 2 picks as Bills GM. 5 of them have gone on the Dline and it is not where it needs to be. 

 

Only 2 of gone on OL and one of those is a bust.

[First Round Bust]

sigh another bad game no argument...pick your coach and or player to flame I guess.but ya know if Mckenzie doesnt fumble his way to gifting 7 points and Bass makes those kicks we got us a game for most of the 3rd quarter...but alas the run D would have let us down...

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

Nah. I believe it has more to do with the team actually bought into their hype more than anything. Their heads are up their ass.

Asking an honest question, but can you show me an interview or something like that that shows they “bought into their own hype”? Having a couple of bad games doesn’t mean they bought into their own hype. Teams have just been able to expose this team’s weaknesses

[bigduke6]

pitchforks for Beane?  for what exactly?    with what little he had this past offseason,  yer lucky u got what u got.

 

no GM is going to hit on 100% of his picks,  or free agents.   ya'll assume Beane didnt want to address  O LIne or TE or whatever in the draft,  

mbe just mbe the draft didnt fall his way, and he took what he could get without reaching.    theres no science here in evaluating players,  there is no 100% yes, or 100% no,   its grey,  its muddy.   How many peeps said Mahomes would be crap in the NFL cuz he came from an air raid offense?  tons.   tons of guys in the league that had decades of experience.  tons.   nobody really knows.    look at Allen,  mbe the people crapping on him are still right,  even after last year.   we dont really know.

 

most of this stuff is extremely complicated and alot comes down to dumb luck.

 

so in hindsight,  as outsiders its really easy to say,   hey we needed,  this,  that,  or the other thing.    Beane knows where and what our deficiencies are.  that doesnt mean everything lines up so that he can easily fix them immediately every season.

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said:

Asking an honest question, but can you show me an interview or something like that that shows they “bought into their own hype”? Having a couple of bad games doesn’t mean they bought into their own hype. Teams have just been able to expose this team’s weaknesses

No, but I can point to a lot of play that shows they may have bought into their own hype.

 

The Bills are much more talented than the Steelers, Jags and IMO the Colts. 
 

This team is not really any different than they were, personnel wise, from last year.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

10 minutes ago, Process said:

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

There is a reason people were calling Josh Allen-John Elway and that should scare this team.  Because when John Madden talked about the late 80's early 90's Denver Bronco's Madden was Quoted by saying " That is as close to a one-man team as he ever saw".  The league does not fear anybody else on this team except him.

[goldenboy81]

I never remember a Bills year where they had a winning record and the fans wanted to blow the team up. Smh

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

4 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

pitchforks for Beane?  for what exactly?    with what little he had this past offseason,  yer lucky u got what u got.

 

no GM is going to hit on 100% of his picks,  or free agents.   ya'll assume Beane didnt want to address  O LIne or TE or whatever in the draft,  

mbe just mbe the draft didnt fall his way, and he took what he could get without reaching.    theres no science here in evaluating players,  there is no 100% yes, or 100% no,   its grey,  its muddy.   How many peeps said Mahomes would be crap in the NFL cuz he came from an air raid offense?  tons.   tons of guys in the league that had decades of experience.  tons.   nobody really knows.    look at Allen,  mbe the people crapping on him are still right,  even after last year.   we dont really know.

 

most of this stuff is extremely complicated and alot comes down to dumb luck.

 

so in hindsight,  as outsiders its really easy to say,   hey we needed,  this,  that,  or the other thing.    Beane knows where and what our deficiencies are.  that doesnt mean everything lines up so that he can easily fix them immediately every season.

That is his job to hit on as many players as he can when the Bills don't flash the money in Free agency.

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, Process said:

At the end of the day, if we didn't have Allen, this would be one of the worst team in the league.

This feels like some hyperbole. I’ve been smacked down for saying this, but most of the best players on this team Beane inherited. 
 

Milano, Hyde, Poyer, Hyde, Hughes, etc. 

 

I’ve long stood that we could have gotten ourselves out of cap help by being a bit more rational. Like waiting a few months to release Dareus, that would have cut his hit in half. 
 

To Beanes credit, he’s long been willing to backtrack on his mistakes like our QB room a few years ago. But this roster seems to be a culmination of mistakes and over allocation of dollars and draft picks to the wrong players. We shall see…

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Beane is just an average GM. I've been saying it for years. If the Jets took Allen he would have taken Rosen or Darnold and the Bills would be the Jets. He got lucky Allen fell to him.

He gave up too much for Edmunds. Oliver was a reach though he is a fine player. Bass looks solid. Ford, Moss, Epenesa are all busts. People said it was fine Basham isn't dressing often. A second round pick gets the red shirt season and people are ok with that??? Nuts. 

That said I thought his offseason was good. I liked the Williams deal. I liked Brown in the 3rd. Basham and Doyle are wastes of picks that should have been on the interior line. Many of us were screaming for a NT or C/G. 

Oh well. Not going to let it get to me. They either play better or they don't. I cant care that much anymore. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

What do we do going forward ?    Does he take a draft off so someone else can bring in some decent linemen ? 

It amazes me some of the insane thoughts that go through the heads of people like yourself.   Stop doing drugs and go to bed. 

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, goldenboy81 said:

I never remember a Bills year where they had a winning record and the fans wanted to blow the team up. Smh

6 points vs the jags and a curbstomping by the Colts will have this effect 

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Seems like Beane has done well but has a blindspot for adding quality O Linemen.   
 

I’m not sure if I should be happy about Oliver Epanesa etc as well.  

I think the one person who most needs to be gone from the team next year is OL coach Bobby Johnson. Another Juan Castillo who can’t coach his players up at all.