Many on this board deserve a pat on the back

[78thealltimegreat]

All off season posters on here argued about the Bills needs

We needed depth at TE 

We needed to upgrade guard play

We needed a RB who can break first contact 

We needed a DT to stop power running attacks with Star being uncertain at the time 

This front office did none of these things and decided to just wind it back

The Jags game and the Colts game where just things that where percolating coming to a head 

These things are all fixable but man we just threw away a year in our Super Bowl window because our front office believed only one team existed in the AFC that being the Chiefs 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Agreed. I wanted a C/G in round two. Brown looks ok so far as a RT. Wanted to keep Lee Smith.  Rousseau has been ok. At least he is getting playing time. Epenesa and Basham are not providing anything. 

[Bleedbuffaloblue]

We have been and would be better with Star and Spencer in the lineup. Too bad their me first attitude is hurting the team big time and unfortunately it’s not over yet.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agreed. I wanted a C/G in round two. Brown looks ok so far as a RT. Wanted to keep Lee Smith.  Rousseau has been ok. At least he is getting playing time. Epenesa and Basham are not providing anything. 

Basham and Epenesa don't play.  I am going to Quote Michael Hayes when talking about Fritz von Erich.  "There is a market out there rather than Texas".  McDermott and Bean "There is a market out there to find players other than Carolina".

[bigduke6]

was a weak O LIne draft this year,  and where we were picking i believe Beane thought it best to address the D Line due to its depth in the draft.    plus,   the guys we did have are getting old and will need to be decided upon when i comes to letting go,  new contracts etc.   drafting D LIne allowes Beane more flexibility this coming offseason.    he couldnt foresee the injuries on the O Line.   Mongo while being merely average is a huge upgrade over having to rely on Ford,  and Brown was starting to play very well until u know what happened.     

 

Beane is no dummy,  he will def address O Line this offseason.   keep in mind that we were cap strapped this offseason so anybody who thinks we could have found something worthwhile for the O Line via free agency is dreaming.  

 

 

[Governor]

The draft raw/high ceiling model certainly failed so far.

 

There we’re plenty of RB’s available in FA. That was just arrogance.

 

Star was a total debacle. That in itself should be a fireable offense.

 

Before the draft I said we needed a RB, a Beas replacement, and a DT to replace Star.

 

They did none of those things.

[Brennan Huff]

This team is in serious trouble. The Saints are going to run all over us too

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

We have been and would be better with Star and Spencer in the lineup. Too bad their me first attitude is hurting the team big time and unfortunately it’s not over yet.

Based on McDermott's "respect their decision" quote after the game I'm guessing both were unvaccinated so Brown will be out against the Saints too.

[Bruffalo]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

Based on McDermott's "respect their decision" quote after the game I'm guessing both were unvaccinated so Brown will be out against the Saints too.

It's amazing how many players are choosing the selfish option after watching their teammate Dion Dawkins say publicly that there were times he wasn't sure he was going to make it during his bout with COVID. 

 

And before anyone jumps down my throat: I believe it's the selfish choice, not that they should not have a choice.

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Can't blame the Bills' struggles on this.

 

These are the same struggles as previous seasons, with no serious attempt to fix them.

That goes on Beane for drafting/signing them. It’s unfortunate but it’s true.

[ticketssince61]

It is very easy to say "we should have addressed  <fill in the blank [RB, OL, ...] >

 

But you can't conjure these players out of thin air. With the salary cap down for the year and us at or near the cap, there was very little flexibility to bring in free agents.

 

Yes, we could have let Williams and Feliciano walk, but then we would have needed to sign their replacements, on an if/come basis

 

There are only 7 draft picks, and we were drafting toward the bottom of each round. As it is, we got two starters in Rousseau and Brown out of of our first 3 picks, and DE and OT are both key positions

 

On the other hand, my criticisms of Beane are that 

a) he has too high a propensity to trade up in the draft which costs us depth as we give up additional draft picks for those players

b) I think he has too much of a "build for the consistent future mentality" as opposed to "win now". i.e. should not be drafting projects even if in the long run they were the right pick

 

 

 

 

[Success]

I feel like Beane has a blind spot. I think he's brilliant - but he miscalculated BADLY on the O-line and RB's.

 

I can see the psychology of that. We have amazing WR's, and an MVP caliber QB (sorry - that's a true story, despite today).  He probably thought that would be enough, as long as we had a competent running game & blocking.  And from there, he probably talked himself into the idea that the talent in both of those units was, in fact, competent.

 

But it's not. It's November, and every fan of this team is trying to figure out how we can go on a run and make the SB with such glaring flaws in 2 incredibly vital units.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

I think we needed a couple more respected veterans who were chasing rings.  These guys clearly got too full of themselves after last year.  McBeane brought everybody back and exchanged Brown for Sanders.  Team needed an infusion of a little more new blood.  

Edited November 21, 2021 by BuffaloRebound

[Ross Murdock]

Some posters are comparing this season to the Bills 89' season when they regressed after the 88' AFC Champion appearance, and then went to 4 SB's. I'm sorry but I don't see ANY Bruce Smiths - Thurmon Thomas - Kent Hull's - Darryl Talley's - Andre Reed's on this team. And I'd take a 26 YO Jim Kelly any day over Josh. This is a finesse defense, that can't take a punch in the mouth. I'm afraid the Bills will be rolled over twice by the hated Pats. After just one year, the Pats will be king of the East once again. Bill's just don't EVER seem to get that BIG players almost always beat SMALLER players. Were about to be manhandled twice by the Pats. Anybody want to compare Pats GM Belichick to Beane? It's sad.          

[78thealltimegreat]

2 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Some posters are comparing this season to the Bills 89' season when they regressed after the 88' AFC Champion appearance, and then went to 4 SB's. I'm sorry but I don't see ANY Bruce Smiths - Thurmon Thomas - Kent Hull's - Darryl Talley's - Andre Reed's on this team. And I'd take a 26 YO Jim Kelly any day over Josh. This is a finesse defense, that can't take a punch in the mouth. I'm afraid the Bills will be rolled over twice by the hated Pats. After just one year, the Pats will be king of the East once again. Bill's just don't EVER seem to get that BIG players almost always beat SMALLER players. Were about to be manhandled twice by the Pats. Anybody want to compare Pats GM Belichick to Beane? It's sad.          

Yeh but you’re a pats fan so I think you’d be happy with the Bills mismanaging things 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, bigduke6 said:

was a weak O LIne draft this year,  and where we were picking i believe Beane thought it best to address the D Line due to its depth in the draft.    plus,   the guys we did have are getting old and will need to be decided upon when i comes to letting go,  new contracts etc.   drafting D LIne allowes Beane more flexibility this coming offseason.    he couldnt foresee the injuries on the O Line.   Mongo while being merely average is a huge upgrade over having to rely on Ford,  and Brown was starting to play very well until u know what happened.     

 

Beane is no dummy,  he will def address O Line this offseason.   keep in mind that we were cap strapped this offseason so anybody who thinks we could have found something worthwhile for the O Line via free agency is dreaming.  

 

 

How is Rousoue doing? I ask because Baremore has excelled for the Pats and keeps getting better. 

Edited November 21, 2021 by PatsFanNH

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

All off season posters on here argued about the Bills needs

We needed depth at TE 

We needed to upgrade guard play

We needed a RB who can break first contact 

We needed a DT to stop power running attacks with Star being uncertain at the time 

This front office did none of these things and decided to just wind it back

The Jags game and the Colts game where just things that where percolating coming to a head 

These things are all fixable but man we just threw away a year in our Super Bowl window because our front office believed only one team existed in the AFC that being the Chiefs 

True but most people wanted a pass rusher with the first pick. There is a school of though here not to take OG/C or RB in round #1. 
 

I like the Rousseau pick and still do.  
 

We had some excellent OG/C options at 2.  He could have upgraded guard. 
 

TE depth was not addressed, the hope was Knox gets better, which he has.  I just wish we had a guy like Lee Smith. We do miss his blocking, red zone catches, and leadership.  
 

RB - we brought in Brieda.  He should play more and get more touches.  
 

DT -  went with DE Boogie in round 2.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by Bob in STL

[DCofNC]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

How is Rousoue doing? I ask because Baremore has excelled for the Pats and keeps getting better. 

Groot is playing well, not upset with that pick, but Basham was a wasted pick, along with AJE last year.. oh and Oliver, Beane has been pretty awful in the draft if we are being honest.

[BuffaloRebound]

Barmore was too big and physical for McBeane.  The analytics tell them to take finesse guys.  

[Bob in STL]

16 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

was a weak O LIne draft this year,  and where we were picking i believe Beane thought it best to address the D Line due to its depth in the draft.    plus,   the guys we did have are getting old and will need to be decided upon when i comes to letting go,  new contracts etc.   drafting D LIne allowes Beane more flexibility this coming offseason.    he couldnt foresee the injuries on the O Line.   Mongo while being merely average is a huge upgrade over having to rely on Ford,  and Brown was starting to play very well until u know what happened.     

 

Beane is no dummy,  he will def address O Line this offseason.   keep in mind that we were cap strapped this offseason so anybody who thinks we could have found something worthwhile for the O Line via free agency is dreaming.  

 

 

Hitting on a premium OL draft pick and then on a medium level free agent - that will help.  
 

We have to improve the depth.  McD seems afraid to play anyone below Ford  on the depth chart.  We have Tommy Doyle, Jamal Douglas, and Ryan Bates.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by Bob in STL