Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How about a retractable dome? 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah, that’s what I meant when I said retractable roof. Anything that will 💯 remove the outside elements from what is happening in the stadium. Concert, games, convention or any other event. I’m really at a loss as to why they wouldn’t want to at least have the option of keeping the elements out. the model, to me, is super obvious— they should build the exact same type or stadium as Lucas Oil in Indianapolis. Retractable roof; let’s it on of Light; easy to open and close; multi-use for conventions, concerts, etc. https://www.uni-systems.com/projects/retractable-roof-lucas-oil-stadium why would the city or state pay a dime for an outdoor stadium that has extremely limited functionality? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the model, to me, is super obvious— they should build the exact same type or stadium as Lucas Oil in Indianapolis. Retractable roof; let’s it on of Light; easy to open and close; multi-use for conventions, concerts, etc. https://www.uni-systems.com/projects/retractable-roof-lucas-oil-stadium why would the city or state pay a dime for an outdoor stadium that has extremely limited functionality? It’s beyond baffling and just an idiotic idea. Has anyone stated why they aren’t planning on a retractable roof/dome? I’d love to sit in on these meetings and hear what the reasoning is. If REAL football is the reason, heads should roll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: It’s beyond baffling and just an idiotic idea. Has anyone stated why they aren’t planning on a retractable roof/dome? I’d love to sit in on these meetings and hear what the reasoning is. If REAL football is the reason, heads should roll. I think the reason is purely monetary. I'm sure they've calculated the ROI for extending the use of the stadium to concerts/conventions etc in the Buffalo area vs. the additional construction and maintenance costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: It’s beyond baffling and just an idiotic idea. Has anyone stated why they aren’t planning on a retractable roof/dome? I’d love to sit in on these meetings and hear what the reasoning is. If REAL football is the reason, heads should roll. 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the reason is purely monetary. I'm sure they've calculated the ROI for extending the use of the stadium to concerts/conventions etc in the Buffalo area vs. the additional construction and maintenance costs. If it is an issue of cost and ROI, then the city need to push for a roof, and the team needs to carry a lot more of the cost. From the city’s standpoint, they are going to get a ton more value out of an indoor stadium in the long run. I would be curious too from a “football perspective,” which of the newest stadiums (esp in colder cities) are completely open air? The last I can think of is Met Life, but that was built in 2010 and in a very different sort of market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the reason is purely monetary. I'm sure they've calculated the ROI for extending the use of the stadium to concerts/conventions etc in the Buffalo area vs. the additional construction and maintenance costs. strange that all the other cold weather stadiums with roofs/domes found it advantageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: We don’t play in the rain. We watch our team play in the rain. This is real football. You’re talking about football of the past. Another open air stadium in Buffalo just doesn’t make sense. Football games aside. The world revolves around money. The earning potential for an open air stadium pales in comparison to a dome or a retractable roof stadium. Why build a stadium that will only be used for football 6-7 months of the year? Baffling imo Because there are too few events that would substantially use a football stadium sized venue the rest of the year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know in general, but I think part of the issue is a perceived mis-match between the style of offensive football we're playing (heavily reliant on the passing game, and the deep passing game at that, with a finesse OL and little run game) and the elements we play in. Yeah but that's the Bills in 2021. By the time the Bills will be playing in the new stadium, it would be 2026 at the very earliest. By then the entire complexion of our team will be different except for Josh Allen. Plenty of time to build an above average running game at which point we would have a huge homefield advantage. Bring on the Chargers or the Dolphins for an open-air playoff game in Buffalo in late January. The weather has only been an equalizer for the current Bills team because this regime hasn't made it a priority to build a physical offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 It looks like it’ll be light rain off an on with a chance of a shower. So…not a down pour that will make a huge effect. So good for football, not good for a wet t-shirt contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah but that's the Bills in 2021. By the time the Bills will be playing in the new stadium, it would be 2026 at the very earliest. By then the entire complexion of our team will be different except for Josh Allen. Plenty of time to build an above average running game at which point we would have a huge homefield advantage. Bring on the Chargers or the Dolphins for an open-air playoff game in Buffalo in late January. The weather has only been an equalizer for the current Bills team because this regime hasn't made it a priority to build a physical offense. Do you see the priorities of this regime changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, NewEra said: strange that all the other cold weather stadiums with roofs/domes found it advantageous. So who are "all the other cold weather stadiums with roofs/domes"? Detroit, MI (2002) Indianapolis, IN (2008) Minneapolis, MN (2018) So 3 stadia? 2 of them were built more than a decade ago. Perhaps economics have changed? Minneapolis replaced a dome with a dome.... I don't have energy on the issue, but if one did, one could look into how the public/private spending was split for those stadia and how they have fared in terms of revenue sources other than football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Do you see the priorities of this regime changing? Yes, I am sure McDermott knows a weak running game is holding the offense back. They have methodically cleaned up each weakness year after year. The last ones are interior o-line and RB. I expect both to be a big priority next offseason. I envision a team with a strong defense and running game and a QB with a rocket arm, not to mention a kicker with a big leg, that is used to playing in the elements. That team is going to be a tough out in the playoffs. I don't understand why so many fans want to take that advantage away by building a dome. Edited November 20, 2021 by HappyDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Because there are too few events that would substantially use a football stadium sized venue the rest of the year... I suppose so. Hard for me to comment on that considering I live on the other side of the country and don’t keep up with the Buffalo social events. I just find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t make up that money over the lifetime of the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Dome. Then the 1 billion + stadium can be used for more variety of events yearlong instead of just football especially if taxpayer dollars or funding it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So who are "all the other cold weather stadiums with roofs/domes"? Detroit, MI (2002) Indianapolis, IN (2008) Minneapolis, MN (2018) So 3 stadia? 2 of them were built more than a decade ago. Perhaps economics have changed? Minneapolis replaced a dome with a dome.... I don't have energy on the issue, but if one did, one could look into how the public/private spending was split for those stadia and how they have fared in terms of revenue sources other than football. Detroit also replaced a dome with a dome. These three stadiums have all hosted a Super Bowl as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 hours ago, NewEra said: It’s beyond baffling and just an idiotic idea. Has anyone stated why they aren’t planning on a retractable roof/dome? I’d love to sit in on these meetings and hear what the reasoning is. If REAL football is the reason, heads should roll. Retractable roofs are a waste of money (especially in colder climates) as only about 30% of games are played with the roof actually open in stadiums that have them. I'd prefer an enclosed stadium that gives the mirage of playing outside in like the Vikings have with their translucent roof. It looks like open air stadium is going to happen though. Unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 52 minutes ago, NewEra said: I suppose so. Hard for me to comment on that considering I live on the other side of the country and don’t keep up with the Buffalo social events. I just find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t make up that money over the lifetime of the stadium. yeah stadium concerts are rare these days—even in good weather the Ralph has had relatively few shows come through over the decades 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Yes, I am sure McDermott knows a weak running game is holding the offense back. They have methodically cleaned up each weakness year after year. The last ones are interior o-line and RB. I expect both to be a big priority next offseason. I envision a team with a strong defense and running game and a QB with a rocket arm, not to mention a kicker with a big leg, that is used to playing in the elements. That team is going to be a tough out in the playoffs. I don't understand why so many fans want to take that advantage away by building a dome. Well...I most certainly hope you are right. 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: It looks like it’ll be light rain off an on with a chance of a shower. So…not a down pour that will make a huge effect. So good for football, not good for a wet t-shirt contest. One question I have is whether a wet, slippery field would change their call on suiting up Edmunds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well...I most certainly hope you are right. One question I have is whether a wet, slippery field would change their call on suiting up Edmunds I would say probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 If you believe Accuweather, no rain until 5-6pm today. Temps aren't bad either👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 I’ve always been a proponent of getting big men, as QBs, WRs & TEs- never the Smurfs the Bills used to draft. Why? Because OP is an open air stadium, where the last half of the Season, includes wind, cold, driving, rain and snow. Take this year, as the perfect example. Home games on December 6, 19 and January 2,9 to finish the Season! You need big targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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