Do you think a 4-3 formation could be a good one ?

[Motorin']

  On 11/16/2021 at 1:05 PM, JGMcD2 said:

I don’t think we’re taking Taron Johnson off the field. Maybe a little more against run heavy teams… but we’ll play predominantly nickel. 

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I'm wondering why we don't say in 4-3 against 2 wr sets and take Levi off the field? 

 

Or against 3 wr sets, go 3-3 nickel more and have Klein play on the edge. 

[nucci]

Most teams use 3 WR formations during the games. You need 5 DBs especially if they also have a good TE

[MAJBobby]

Bills Running the Nickel over 90% of the time have created the TOP Defense in the NFL.  And people here want to change that... Why?

 

I think their Nickel is a good one, no reason to change anything there, they are the Top Defense in the league for a reason. 

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[nucci]

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:25 PM, MAJBobby said:

Bills Running the Nickel over 90% of the time have created the TOP Defense in the NFL.  And people here want to change that... Why?

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You put your best players on the field. Like you said, seems to be working 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:25 PM, MAJBobby said:

Bills Running the Nickel over 90% of the time have created the TOP Defense in the NFL.  And people here want to change that... Why?

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As I recall, we ran Nickel 91% of the time last year.

 

Is that true again this year?  I thought it was somewhat less, though still - by far - our preferred formation.  

[MAJBobby]

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:26 PM, nucci said:

You put your best players on the field. Like you said, seems to be working 

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Yep no reason to change a defense up because a depth LBer had a good game in a fill in performance. 

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:26 PM, hondo in seattle said:

 

As I recall, we ran Nickel 91% of the time last year.

 

Is that true again this year?  I thought it was somewhat less, though still - by far - our preferred formation.  

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Yes it is true again this year.  Fraiser even said Nickel is the defense, only game they didnt play it heavy was Tenn because of Henry.

 

 

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

They have the unarguably BEST defense in the NFL 

 

You don’t did what isn’t broken!!!

 

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

The NFL is a copycat league.  

 

Will more teams switch to the Nickel as their base after seeing the Bills success?

 

Or are the Bills just blessed with unique talent that allows us to successfully utilize the Nickel against run & pass?

[MAJBobby]

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:31 PM, hondo in seattle said:

The NFL is a copycat league.  

 

Will more teams switch to the Nickel as their base after seeing the Bills success?

 

Or are the Bills just blessed with unique talent that allows us to successfully utilize the Nickel against run & pass?

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Will be as long as other teams can find 2 LBers that go sideline to sideline and a Nickle that plays the run like a LBer.

[WhoTom]

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:19 PM, Motorin' said:

I'm wondering why we don't say in 4-3 against 2 wr sets and take Levi off the field? 

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Levi is our #2 CB. If you go 4-3, you take Taron off the field, not Levi.

 

 

[Motorin']

  On 11/16/2021 at 4:07 PM, WhoTom said:

 

Levi is our #2 CB. If you go 4-3, you take Taron off the field, not Levi.

 

 

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Taron is a better cb than Levi. The Bills think so too--take a look at their respective salaries. 

 

And the Bills value positional flexibility. I just saying that I think Taron could play CB 2 against run heavy teams and do a better job than Levi. 

 

And I'm not crapping on Levi. I think he's playing really well and is a solid outside deep half CB. 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It seems it’s been a while since I’ve seen the old 

which is better the 3-4 or the 4-3 and did Buffalo have the right personnel 

 

was it Rex or before him?

[hondo in seattle]

  On 11/16/2021 at 4:21 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

It seems it’s been a while since I’ve seen the old 

which is better the 3-4 or the 4-3 and did Buffalo have the right personnel 

 

was it Rex or before him?

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Yeah, I remember those days.  That argument is becoming obsolete.    Nickel is the most common alignment in the NFL now, though there are variation of it.  The Bills run it more than anybody.

If I'm not mistaken, the 3-3 and the 3-4 (in that order) are the most common alignments.   4 man fronts are less common though Frazier, for one, loves the 4-2.

 

Any good X-and-O guy out there who can break this down better with percentages? 

[Max Fischer]

If the Bills were going to go 4-3, they would have done that before paying Taron Johnson starter money.

 

Just coincidently, I think this week AJ could play a bit more than normal to stop Jonathan Taylor. However, TJ is more than capable run defender. 

[Motorin']

  On 11/16/2021 at 3:25 PM, MAJBobby said:

Bills Running the Nickel over 90% of the time have created the TOP Defense in the NFL.  And people here want to change that... Why?

 

I think their Nickel is a good one, no reason to change anything there, they are the Top Defense in the league for a reason. 

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Our D is awesome, especially against the pass. 

 

Against the Titans, the D gave up the most points all year. 

 

Klein only saw 3 snaps against Tenn. They are one of a handful of run heavy teams that might give us problems.

 

I think Klein should be on the field more against teams like Tenn, Indy, Cleveland and NE.  

 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

  On 11/16/2021 at 5:40 PM, Motorin' said:

 

Our D is awesome, especially against the pass. 

 

Against the Titans, the D gave up the most points all year. 

 

Klein only saw 3 snaps against Tenn. They are one of a handful of run heavy teams that might give us problems.

 

I think Klein should be on the field more against teams like Tenn, Indy, Cleveland and NE.  

 

 

 

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They didnt play Nickle in Tenn.  Fraiser even confirmed that.

[Motorin']

  On 11/16/2021 at 5:44 PM, MAJBobby said:

They didnt play Nickle in Tenn.  Fraiser even confirmed that.

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What did they play with Klein only seeing 3 snaps?

[MAJBobby]

  On 11/16/2021 at 6:00 PM, Motorin' said:

 

What did they play with Klein only seeing 3 snaps?

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Ask the DC

 

 

[Motorin']

  On 11/16/2021 at 6:02 PM, MAJBobby said:

Ask the DC

 

 

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lol, that is a true statement. The Bills were not exclusively nickel against the Titans, because they were in 4-3 on 3 plays. On the other 50 plays they were in nickel. 

[LeGOATski]

  On 11/16/2021 at 1:12 PM, djp14150 said:

If the 3 rd LB is a safety…sure.

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That's 4-2-5, which the Bills have used often with Neal. 

 

Instead of "run and stop the run", McDermott's philosophy seems to be "pass and stop the pass." That's why 4-3 hasn't really factored into their system as much.