[Vague Title] Some change on offense

[Italian Bills]

It could be just for tomorrow, but because lately we had hard time on offense, it could be a way to be more effective. 
i’m reffering at use two backs in the same time, maybe our running game could improve even with a bad OL, running not only in the middle but outside also, lightening the pressure on Allen and be more balanced. 
 

What you think ? I know we don’t have stud backs but playing two together it could work. 

[Governor]

We would need two RB’s to do that.

[Italian Bills]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

We would need two RB’s to do that.

Maybe Moss and Breeda together ? 

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

Maybe Moss and Breeda together ? 

I think we need to give the other kid a try. McD is terrified to play someone that might fumble and that needs to change. We aren’t playing games where field position really matters.

 

If he fumbles twice, then sure, go ahead and yank him. So I would go Williams and Stalling Motor.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Governor

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Italian Bills said:

Maybe Moss and Breeda together ? 

 

yeah!--if one stood on the other's shoulders, they could wear a single uniform and pretend we got Derrick Henry back there!

[Italian Bills]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

yeah!--if one stood on the other's shoulders, they could wear a single uniform and pretend we got Derrick Henry back there!

Very funny of you. We here giving opinion, right ? You don’t agree ? Your right without being ironic. 
That said ther’s only one Henry i know… other very good and productive backs aren’t that tall, but they works. 
i don’t say that our run game would become stellar, but could help and gain some good yards not relying just on Allen and the Wr’s.

[BuffaloBillyG]

26 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

It could be just for tomorrow, but because lately we had hard time on offense, it could be a way to be more effective. 
i’m reffering at use two backs in the same time, maybe our running game could improve even with a bad OL, running not only in the middle but outside also, lightening the pressure on Allen and be more balanced. 
 

What you think ? I know we don’t have stud backs but playing two together it could work. 

While I get what you are thinking and changing things up needs to happen...in your scenario who are you taking off the field too make this happen? Sanders? Beasley?

 

Being that as you said we don't have stud RBs would this not decrease the talent level of our players in the field? 

 

[benderbender]

Why not have a 2RB shotgun set? If you don’t have them block, they can at least freeze LB until WRs can make a

move. At worst they can be outlet check downs. 

[Italian Bills]

9 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

While I get what you are thinking and changing things up needs to happen...in your scenario who are you taking off the field too make this happen? Sanders? Beasley?

 

Being that as you said we don't have stud RBs would this not decrease the talent level of our players in the field? 

 

Like you said something have to change saw that it seems the other DCs have our number… i got what you mean but it doesn’t seem that play with all Diggs, Bease and Sanders together right now is working. Without forgetting that with this set Diggs get very few touch and so Bease and Sanders. 
I don’t mean to play with two backs all the sets, but here and there could help and be difficult for the defenses adjust. 

[SirAndrew]

I’ve given up on being able to run the ball with our current roster. I understand it’s universally accepted you need a run game to win titles, but we simply don’t. The best we can do is play to the strengths of our passing game, and see how far it takes us. It might prove costly, but emphasizing the run game isn’t getting us anywhere. We need to restructure the entire offensive game plan. It’s time to pick better moments to run the ball, incorporate quick passes, and get the ball to Bease and Diggs. We’ve fallen in love with chucking the ball downfield to Sanders.
 

I have no issue with running, but Josh under center on first down gives away a run call. We must mix in the run game more effectively. What’s not going to happen is us becoming ground and pound. There’s quotes from pundits talking about how crucial it is to run the ball with bad weather on the way. It’s not going to work that for us, we just need better efficiency. Our coaching staff needs to have a better feel for the trajectory of the game. They made no adjustments to help Josh when it was clear the o line was having a meltdown. We have an incredibly well coached and well prepared team, but Daboll in particularly seems stubborn about making in game adjustments. 

[Italian Bills]

Another thing it could be to use some no huddle offense to break the defenses rythm and formation. Maybe we are not able to play no huddle properly ? Sometimes it could help that also. 

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

I’ve given up on being able to run the ball with our current roster. I understand it’s universally accepted you need a run game to win titles, but we simply don’t. The best we can do is play to the strengths of our passing game, and see how far it takes us. It might prove costly, but emphasizing the run game isn’t getting us anywhere. We need to restructure the entire offensive game plan. It’s time to pick better moments to run the ball, incorporate quick passes, and get the ball to Bease and Diggs. We’ve fallen in love with chucking the ball downfield to Sanders.
 

I have no issue with running, but Josh under center on first down gives away a run call. We must mix in the run game more effectively. What’s not going to happen is us becoming ground and pound. There’s quotes from pundits talking about how crucial it is to run the ball with bad weather on the way. It’s not going to work that for us, we just need better efficiency. Our coaching staff needs to have a better feel for the trajectory of the game. They made no adjustments to help Josh when it was clear the o line was having a meltdown. We have an incredibly well coached and well prepared team, but Daboll in particularly seems stubborn about making in game adjustments. 

I agree with you about not try to become ground and pound, main reason because our backs are not so good. But mix it more often would make other DCs adjust and get out of their comfort zone. 

[without a drought]

I wouldn't over think this too much, I believe the return of Knox and Brown will be all the change they need.

 

Jimmy Spags - this is your one and only warning. 

[SirAndrew]

6 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

Another thing it could be to use some no huddle offense to break the defenses rythm and formation. Maybe we are not able to play no huddle properly ? Sometimes it could help that also. 

I agree with you about not try to become ground and pound, main reason because our backs are not so good. But mix it more often would make other DCs adjust and get out of their comfort zone. 

I agree, I think it’s not just a matter of running more, but picking better moments to do so. The Jags loss was definitely ugly, but I’m also hesitant to take the ball out of Josh’s hands too often. We need to be careful about the balance of more run calls if we go that direction. Singletary and Moss plays seem like wasted downs at this point. You can’t throw the ball every down, but I worry that mixing in more runs won’t free much up. Defensive coordinators probably don’t have much fear of Moss or Singletary. I’d be comfortable selling out to stop Josh as a D coordinator, even if we did run the ball more. I’d have confidence that a four man front with everyone else in coverage is enough to stop the Bills run game. I still agree with your point, but we’re in a tough spot with subpar backs and an o line who can’t block. 

[Italian Bills]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree, I think it’s not just a matter of running more, but picking better moments to do so. The Jags loss was definitely ugly, but I’m also hesitant to take the ball out of Josh’s hands too often. We need to be careful about the balance of more run calls if we go that direction. Singletary and Moss plays seem like wasted downs at this point. You can’t throw the ball every down, but I worry that mixing in more runs won’t free much up. Defensive coordinators probably don’t have much fear of Moss or Singletary. I’d be comfortable selling out to stop Josh as a D coordinator, even if we did run the ball more. I’d have confidence that a four man front with everyone else in coverage is enough to stop the Bills run game. I still agree with your point, but we’re in a tough spot with subpar backs and an o line who can’t block. 

Your is a very good point. But sometime a weak area could be used like a decoy. I also agree that Allen has to remain the main weapon, we are talking about a top 5 QB that with a great OL could be a nightmare every single game. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[frostbitmic]

We need to run the wishbone

[the_D]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Seeing who made the topic, I pretty much knew what was being said. Just saying.

[Italian Bills]

12 minutes ago, the_D said:

Seeing who made the topic, I pretty much knew what was being said. Just saying.

So that you are so smart, help me to give this topic a correct title. Thank you

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I can’t see how to do that. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

11 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I can’t see how to do that. 

 

Sorry, thought I had previously explained to you in PM.  My bad.

 

Click on the title and hold.  A text box should open.  This can be fussy from a phone or tablet, and work better from a computer.

If you have problems PM me what you want to change it to and I'll edit it for you.

Something like "Change on the offense, use two backs" would show what the thread content is.

 

To get back to the content, problems with the suggestion include:

1) if you use two backs, who are you taking off the field?  Both Singletary and Moss are good blockers, but have similar skills as RBs; if you use Singletary and Brieda or Moss and Brieda, their skills differ, but Brieda sucks as a blocker and you're probably taking Knox (excellent blocker and receiver) off the field.

2) if the problem with the run game is design and/or execution of run blocking, how will having 2 backs help?

[fasteddie]

The puzzling thing to me is that Daboll is obviously a passing offensive coordinator and they have another coach who is a passing game coach (off the top of my head,  I can't recall his official title).

Wouldn't it make sense to get a running game coordinator? A coach who really knows how to draw up running plays that our line can block. 

Just an idea.

Edited November 13, 2021 by fasteddie