0.22 Yards before contact in the running game.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

They drafted our starting RT in the 3rd round as well as some more developmental projects. I think this offseason will see the OL as a priority (as WR and DL were previously), as well as getting younger at WR. You can’t do it all at once, unfortunately. 

They "tried" but as we are seeing it was not good enough. 

 

Devey signed

Williams and Feliciano signed to 3 year deals

Boettger tendered and signed

Hart signed

Douglas signed

Lamp signed

Brown drafted 3rd

Doyle drafted 5th

Anderson drafted 7th

Tuitele signed

Gonzalez signed

Harrell signed

Gauthier signed 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

They "tried" but as we are seeing it was not good enough. 

 

Devey signed

Williams and Feliciano signed to 3 year deals

Boettger tendered and signed

Hart signed

Douglas signed

Lamp signed

Brown drafted 3rd

Doyle drafted 5th

Anderson drafted 7th

Tuitele signed

Gonzalez signed

Harrell signed

Gauthier signed 

 

No, it certainly was not good enough, but you only have so many assets to spend in dollars and picks. They signed some fairly solid backups, IMO. The only major investment beyond that was a 3rd for Brown and he looks promising. You never know with OL picks, some late round guys eventually develop. BUT, I will say again I think they draft/sign at least two upgrades to start before next year. We don’t need more, but we do need better. Nobody in their right mind can argue that. 

[Mango]

My better half knows something about that...

ayyyooooo

[ngbills]

Just now, Augie said:

 

No, it certainly was not good enough, but you only have so many assets to spend in dollars and picks. They signed some fairly solid backups, IMO. The only major investment beyond that was a 3rd for Brown and he looks promising. You never know with OL picks, some late round guys eventually develop. BUT, I will say again I think they draft/sign at least two upgrades to start before next year. We don’t need more, but we do need better. Nobody in their right mind can argue that. 

A common theme has been over investing in the DL and hoping they get lucky with pickups like Williams and Feliciano.

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, colin said:

another part of this is while we take risks and don't play with a formation/line up advantage most of the time, teams are getting pretty good at figuring out what we are calling.

It's pretty clear when they run I- formation is going to be a run 95% of the time. Even with motion of the wrs.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

And the so called wizard did nothing to address it.

That 2022 second round pick isn't blocking anyone this year

 

neither is the 2021 2nd round pick, who is inactive.   

22 minutes ago, ngbills said:

They "tried" but as we are seeing it was not good enough. 

 

Devey signed

Williams and Feliciano signed to 3 year deals

Boettger tendered and signed

Hart signed

Douglas signed

Lamp signed

Brown drafted 3rd

Doyle drafted 5th

Anderson drafted 7th

Tuitele signed

Gonzalez signed

Harrell signed

Gauthier signed 

 

a bunch of throw a dart and hope something sticks.  the resignings are puzzling because this OL was a liability last year also. 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Again, this was the same problem last year and Beane decided to keep the same starting oline intact.

 

And for a team that apparently values analytics and advanced metrics you really have to wonder what they are looking at to assume to hold the line and not make big time changes to the oline.

 

This is an excellent point.  If you fault can fault Beane for anything this off-season, it should be the offensive line.  I think they overvalued what they had in Feliciano and Ford.  I’m sure they didn’t expect a down year from Dawkins and Williams.  
 

I think they took a gamble that the line could play good enough again this year.  Unfortunately it hasn’t worked 
 

[Rigotz]

The problem is both o-line and running backs. The o-line isn't creating holes, but the RBs are going down immediately on first contact and not fast enough to run away from anyone. Ever notice that there are zero outside runs? It's because our RBs can't get out there fast enough.

 

Let's not blame one thing, but I agree with you. Bad o-line = bad running game.

[Blank Stare]

15 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

The problem is both o-line and running backs. The o-line isn't creating holes, but the RBs are going down immediately on first contact and not fast enough to run away from anyone. Ever notice that there are zero outside runs? It's because our RBs can't get out there fast enough.

 

Let's not blame one thing, but I agree with you. Bad o-line = bad running game.

I don’t disagree that both were bad and need to be better, but coaching/play calling doesn’t crack your list of ills? You don’t think Daboll had an obligation to call a better game and protect his undermanned line? 

[Aussie Joe]

Seems a very precise measurement...

[Royale with Cheese]

This is why Ed Wang never made it.

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This is why Ed Wang never made it.

You know what they say about Asians...

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

They drafted our starting RT in the 3rd round as well as some more developmental projects. I think this offseason will see the OL as a priority (as WR and DL were previously), as well as getting younger at WR. You can’t do it all at once, unfortunately. 

I agree and think the draft picks were moves for 2022.  Beane was hoping to get by this season with Feliciano and Williams.  He can get out of the deals this off-season if they want 

[IronyAbounds]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

As of the Miami game 2.1 secs.

"If you looked at the Bills' performance only from a statistical standpoint, it appeared the offensive line had an OK day. Per NFL Next Gen Stats, Allen had 3.12 seconds to throw, his second-highest window of the season, and he threw 64% of his passes to open receivers, a season high."

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/36546/what-went-wrong-with-the-bills-offense-and-can-it-be-fixed

 

As for the .22, it was the worst in the league Sunday.

[TFBillsfan]

It’s sad that I’m happy if the running game gets a positive two yards. More times than not they lose yards or barely get back to the line of scrimmage. Does anyone have any faith that on 3rd and 2 or 4th down our RB’s will convert. Hell we couldn’t even convert a 4th and inches on a QB sneak without the OL getting blown up. It’s alarming how much our OT’s and OG’s are just getting destroyed.
 

WhIle our D is playing well, our front 4 is struggling to get to the QB with all the money and draft picks that have been invested. 
 

Lots of questions about this team. At the end of the day, the criticism is valid based upon what is occurring in the trenches. The major lack of speed at running back is also alarming. How many times have Singletary or Moss gone for a big game with a short check down?

 

IMO, Defenses have adjusted to Daboll’s playcalling. They are very predictable. The lack of creativity, slants, crossing patterns, QB rollouts is missing this year.

 

My hope is this punch to the groin gets them focused. Any chance of COY, MVP or the #1 seed went out the window yesterday  with that embarrassing loss unless they literally run the table.

[Pete]

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Devin is 25th in RB yards after contact

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, damj said:

Per WGR ... our RBs had an average of 0.22 yards before contact.

 

That's less than 8 inches.

 

Very telling stat just how bad the o-line was.

 

 

Very few reps, but yeah. There were a lot of forced changes of direction in the backfield.

 

Worth remembering we had 3 OLs who were either replacements or playing out of position, but you still have to make things happen if you are starting.

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

They "tried" but as we are seeing it was not good enough. 

 

Devey signed

Williams and Feliciano signed to 3 year deals

Boettger tendered and signed

Hart signed

Douglas signed

Lamp signed

Brown drafted 3rd

Doyle drafted 5th

Anderson drafted 7th

Tuitele signed

Gonzalez signed

Harrell signed

Gauthier signed 

 

 

They did try, but this year due to COVID, they are in serious cap trouble. That meant they weren't able to spend much money at all on OLs.

 

The Brown draft pick seems terrific. Losing him showed how valuable he has already become.

[Weatherman]

3 hours ago, Dr. Football said:

8 inches!?!? I’d be contacted immediately if I was the RB!! 

That’s quite the big…..beer belly you have sir.  

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

We can get by with this line: 

 

Dawkins - Feliciano - Morse - Williams - Brown 

 

We drop considerably with any other combination.  Take two players out like now and we are below average. 

 

 

Yeah.

 

2 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

I said it's a combo of the two. If you don't think the starting RB on this team is bottom 3 in the league then I can't help you there. But he is. Again the OL isn't helping him but he's not talented with vision, speed nor power.

 

If you can't see that calling our RBs bottom 3 is a wild exaggeration, you are correct, you can't help him or anyone, including yourself.

 

Our RBs aren't bottom 3, they simply aren't. They also aren't game breakers in any way. But they are talented, and they do have NFL starter standard speed and power. It really would be great if we could get an upgrade there, but the same is true of many positions on every team in the league. And it's very questionable whether RB should be our first priority to upgrade.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah.

 

 

If you can't see that calling our RBs bottom 3 is a wild exaggeration, you are correct, you can't help him or anyone, including yourself.

 

Our RBs aren't bottom 3, they simply aren't. They also aren't game breakers in any way. But they are talented, and they do have NFL starter standard speed and power. It really would be great if we could get an upgrade there, but the same is true of many positions on every team in the league. And it's very questionable whether RB should be our first priority to upgrade.

 

 

Name 3 NFL starters worse and I mean clearly worse

AFC East

Jets -worse

Fins-tied

AFC North all better

AFC South 

I'll give you Houston

AFC West

KC is a tie and I'm being generous

 

NFC EAST all better

NFC South all better

NFC North all better

NFC West

Hawks are a tie 

He's better than the 9ers cause of injury

Edited November 9, 2021 by Starr Almighty