11/7/21 Bills @ Jaguars Postgame Thread

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

The defense gave up 9 points today. Come on this loss was on the offense. 

And gave up less than 200 yards of offense if I recall correctly. Can’t get much better on D than that. Add in another takeaway too. 

[Nelius]

Seeing a lot of Breida chatter which I get, but keep in mind that he hasn't seen an end zone since he was in San Francisco, and even that year he only saw it twice. He really hasn't done anything at RB in two years. I don't think Matt Breida is going to be the savior, unfortunately. I'd rather do anything possible to improve the line.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Nelius

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

The defense gave up 9 points today. Come on this loss was on the offense. 

That's true, today's loss falls squarely on the O.  But that shouldn't blind us to the fact that there have been some issues with the Bills base 4 man pass rush.  We never really made Lawrence uncomfortable forcing him into a bad throw for an INT.  And the Jags had a couple of drives that went on to long and chewed up time robbing the offense of a possession or two.

 

TN rolled our D up in part because we couldn't pressure Tannehill. 

 

I think these comments are arising from the off season choice to go all in on improving the D-line and then keeping 11 D-linemen on the roster.  This was a conscious decision that limited what we could do at RB & O line.  So the question becomes is the D line doing enough?  We seem to blitz our safeties and LB's a lot to generate a pass rush.

 

 

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I have hope that Groote can develop into an elite D lineman and if Oliver keeps getting better he can become an elite defensive tackle.  But your observation is spot on - there is not currently an elite lineman on either side of the ball playing for the Bills.  And while the D-line has a lot of solid talent you could argue that the best Bill's O-lineman is only average - and maybe not even that.  This is why it's critical that Brown develop into a top flight tackle.

 

 

 

 

I'm really not worried about the Bills defense. They are improved from last year. For Christ sake, they gave up 9 points today ams many want to criticize them. Really? I believe the Bills defense is good enough to win  games and make a nice run to the super bowl. For me, the huge concern is the Bills Oline, lack of run game, and Allen playing hero ball. With that said, the Bills offense does have an elite QB and excellent wide receivers. Perhaps, this game will be a wake up call for the Bills? Sometimes a terrible loss ends up being a valuable experience.

 

With that said, today was a depressing game to watch. Was I the only one that still thought the Bills would win the game? After every failed offensive drive I still thought the Bills would score and win. Saying to myself good teams know how to win...

Edited November 8, 2021 by newcam2012

[Sugar High JA17]

This weekend just seemed strange with all the upsets & we should be lucky everything in the AFC is tangled up at the moment

[TheFunPolice]

Love the work Beane and McD have done overall but they seem to not value size on the lines.

 

Told Epenesa to slim down. Mentioned that Rousseau might need to slim down. Feliciano goes on the Brady diet. 

 

There's a pattern, and I think it's costing us on the line. 

 

Today our OL we're getting knocked aside like bowling pins

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That's true, today's loss falls squarely on the O.  But that shouldn't blind us to the fact that there have been some issues with the Bills base 4 man pass rush.  We never really made Lawrence uncomfortable forcing him into a bad throw for an INT.  And the Jags had a couple of drives that went on to long and chewed up time robbing the offense of a possession or two.

 

TN rolled our D up in part because we couldn't pressure Tannehill. 

 

I think these comments are arising from the off season choice to go all in on improving the D-line and then keeping 11 D-linemen on the roster.  This was a conscious decision that limited what we could do at RB & O line.  So the question becomes is the D line doing enough?  We seem to blitz our safeties and LB's a lot to generate a pass rush.

 

 

That's fair enough. Time will tell if the defense is good enough. After the KC game we all thought the Bills defense was fantastic. Opinions and match ups change week to week in the NFL. 

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

Seeing a lot of Breida chatter which I get, but keep in mind that he hasn't seen an end zone since he was in San Francisco, and even that year he only saw it twice. I'm increasingly thinking that was a ST pick-up, he just hasn't done anything at RB in 2 years. I don't think Matt Breida is going to be the savior, unfortunately. I'd rather do anything possible to improve the line.

Agree the line gotta improve, but so does the RBs. If your switching guys around to help the run game giving other RBs an opportunity to carry the ball also has to be an option. I don’t believe Motor or Moss have done anything to secure their rolls. Motor looked solid his rookie year as a change of pace back for Gore, but has not proved anything since in my opinion.  I don’t know. I wasn’t comfortable heading into the season with these guys and I’m super frustrated watching them now. Give Williams a shot, just do something to switch something up. 
 

You can add predictable play calling to the list of what is holding this team back. On that first drive we passed the ball all the way to the 4 yard line and they trot Moss out on the field, I’m sure every Bills fan knew what play was gonna be called, hard to believe the Jags didn’t. 
 

It’s just bad. I agree a lot of it’s the line but the RBs hold some blame as well. And if you keep making changes with the line and the RBs are showing no progress it’s time to start switching the backs.  This ***** ain’t new, we have struggled with the run game since last year. Maybe it’s the rotation, maybe giving one guy the lead back roll and try to get one of them in better rhythm.  Just do something 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm really not worried about the Bills defense. They are improved from last year. For Christ sake, they gave up 9 points today ams many want to criticize them. Really? I believe the Bills defense is good enough to win  games and make a nice run to the super bowl. For me, the huge concern is the Bills Oline, lack of run game, and Allen playing hero ball. With that said, the Bills offense does have an elite QB and excellent wide receivers. Perhaps, this game will be a wake up call for the Bills? Sometimes a terrible loss ends up being a valuable experience.

 

With that said, today was a depressing game to watch. Was I the only one that still thought the Bills would win the game? After every failed offensive drive I still thought the Bills would score and win. Saying to myself good teams know how to win...

My concern is with the offense and not the defense.  BUT, did the Bills make a strategic error in addressing their perceived defensive short comings at the expense of the offense? Because it was the offense that got us to the Championship game last season.  In the off season we focused on the D and it's playing great though I wouldn't say at a Super Bowl level - the let down against TN was a red flag for me.

 

So while we can defenselessly dominate weak to average offenses we haven't shown we can dominate good to great offense.

 

And by ignoring RB, the O-line and TE did we miss an opportunity to create an elite offense? We caught a break with Knox improving as much as he did so standing pat at TE worked out but it clearly hasn't worked out for the O-line and RB's.

 

 

[Maine-iac]

6 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Agree the line gotta improve, but so does the RBs. If your switching guys around to help the run game giving other RBs an opportunity to carry the ball also has to be an option. I don’t believe Motor or Moss have done anything to secure their rolls. Motor looked solid his rookie year as a change of pace back for Gore, but has not proved anything since in my opinion.  I don’t know. I wasn’t comfortable heading into the season with these guys and I’m super frustrated watching them now. Give Williams a shot, just do something to switch something up. 
 

You can add predictable play calling to the list of what is holding this team back. On that first drive we passed the ball all the way to the 4 yard line and they trot Moss out on the field, I’m sure every Bills fan knew what play was gonna be called, hard to believe the Jags didn’t. 
 

It’s just bad. I agree a lot of it’s the line but the RBs hold some blame as well. And if you keep making changes with the line and the RBs are showing no progress it’s time to start switching the backs.  This ***** ain’t new, we have struggled with the run game since last year. Maybe it’s the rotation, maybe giving one guy the lead back roll and try to get one of them in better rhythm.  Just do something 

Give me one reason why Singletary isn't a decent back.  He works like any RB would here.  Give him carries and he produces.  Give him 6 carries a game and the production is going to be limited.  Even with a terrible line the guy pops off good runs often enough that with more than a handful of carries and chances are he'll break you off some good runs. The less we run the ball the worse the offense looks.

[BananaB]

28 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Give me one reason why Singletary isn't a decent back.  He works like any RB would here.  Give him carries and he produces.  Give him 6 carries a game and the production is going to be limited.  Even with a terrible line the guy pops off good runs often enough that with more than a handful of carries and chances are he'll break you off some good runs. The less we run the ball the worse the offense looks.

We don’t run the ball because we are terrible at it.  If we could run the ball we would. 
 

With the work Singletary has got over the past 2.5 years he has got 5 TDs on the ground. If I do my math correctly that’s 1 every 8 games…. Kid just isn’t a threat. Teams are backing off selling out on covering the pass and we still can’t run. Sure he has a nice run here and there but he has a lot of negative ones as well.  
 

I’m all for giving one guy more carries trying to get them in better rhythms. Just start changing things up because what we are doing is not ***** working. 

[Sugar High JA17]

We lost against the weakest team in the NFL & now our nickname is Buttholeo Bills by all our enemy's

[Mopreme]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm really not worried about the Bills defense. They are improved from last year. For Christ sake, they gave up 9 points today ams many want to criticize them. Really? I believe the Bills defense is good enough to win  games and make a nice run to the super bowl. For me, the huge concern is the Bills Oline, lack of run game, and Allen playing hero ball. With that said, the Bills offense does have an elite QB and excellent wide receivers. Perhaps, this game will be a wake up call for the Bills? Sometimes a terrible loss ends up being a valuable experience.

 

With that said, today was a depressing game to watch. Was I the only one that still thought the Bills would win the game? After every failed offensive drive I still thought the Bills would score and win. Saying to myself good teams know how to win...

Pretty sure losing against the Titans was a terrible loss. If they didn’t wake up from that loss then don’t hold your breath.  

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, Mopreme said:

Pretty sure losing against the Titans was a terrible loss. If they didn’t wake up from that loss then don’t hold your breath.  

 

I was stunned by the general ho-hum reaction to the Titans loss as well. Everybody made excuses for it because they naturally thought there was 1 or 2 that would get away, so whatever right, we're elite and in the driver's seat. People acted almost as if we needed to get that one out of the way, when in reality we should have just trusted our elite kicker. Now we're acting like they're the superior team, despite having no Derrick Henry and their #1 TE being 7th round pick Geoff Swaim. How quickly things change in a few weeks.

 

That was an awful loss and we've looked wrong since then. 

[MiltonWaddams]

19 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

We lost against the weakest team in the NFL & now our nickname is Buttholeo Bills by all our enemy's

I’d tell you to lay off the booze, but it seems that you’re quite funny when you’re drunk.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

I need Allen to dirt the ball there. Brady has made a living throwing at guys’ feet when it’s obvious the play is busted from the start. I don’t know what play he thought he was gonna make there, just throw it at the feet of the WR running up the seam and live for the next play.

 

I'm not understanding this argument at all. The way you describe it you would think Brady never gets sacked. The simplest answer is the correct one - the RT missed the snap and his guy ran by him untouched. That is a sack 99% of the time. QBs in that situation are taught to just hug the ball and go down. It is a total fluke play and there is nothing Allen could have done. There is no reason he should have been prepared for an unblocked defender over his RT.

[Doc Brown]

So.....we greeting them at the airport?

[ngbills]

6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And if we had dangerous RB's and TE's this approach would work well.  But with Knox out and a pair of RB's that can't outrun LB's  or make safeties miss a tackle, the dump off passes are at best good for a couple of yards. 

And I would say there were a number of te and rb available this offseason and at the deadline. Or the draft. 

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

My concern is with the offense and not the defense.  BUT, did the Bills make a strategic error in addressing their perceived defensive short comings at the expense of the offense? Because it was the offense that got us to the Championship game last season.  In the off season we focused on the D and it's playing great though I wouldn't say at a Super Bowl level - the let down against TN was a red flag for me.

 

So while we can defenselessly dominate weak to average offenses we haven't shown we can dominate good to great offense.

 

And by ignoring RB, the O-line and TE did we miss an opportunity to create an elite offense? We caught a break with Knox improving as much as he did so standing pat at TE worked out but it clearly hasn't worked out for the O-line and RB's.

 

 

Fair points. The Bills really needed to improve their pass rush. That's pretty much a given. Also, the Bills we're fully prepared to give KC a run. We all know how Tampa beat KC.  Did they over do it? Perhaps. The team upgraded the wide receiver position with Sanders. I'm assuming they thought younger guys on the Oline and RB Moss would develop and be serviceable. Perhaps they still will? The team is built around Allen's arm, legs, and play making ability. Today, he under preformed under severe duress. I'm sure he'd be the first to admit that. That's what leaders do. 

 

Second guessing is what fans do. We are no exception to this. I trust Beane's processing and decisions more than others. How many questioned the Allen draft pick? Bills brass had/has to make difficult decisions under many variables that are know and unknown. 

 

Go Bills! Keep the faith, its a long season and we still should win the AFC east. Hope the team peaks at the right time...

Edited November 8, 2021 by newcam2012

[tbonehawaii]

Umm this was the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game or more Offside and fall starts or simply ignored.  And how was that last pass to Diggs not PI?