JGMcD2 Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: You take the RB, if Elite, and run him into the ground No. You don’t… not in RD1. When has this worked for a team in the last 10 years? The sweet spot is RD2 - RD3. Your point about running them into the ground is EXACTLY why you don’t spend a RD1 pick on a RB. 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 Who else is watching the Utes offensive line destroy the Buckeyes defensive line Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who else is watching the Utes offensive line destroy the Buckeyes defensive line I am. But I keep having to google players to find out something about them.😉 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: No. You don’t… not in RD1. When has this worked for a team in the last 10 years? The sweet spot is RD2 - RD3. Your point about running them into the ground is EXACTLY why you don’t spend a RD1 pick on a RB. Why not? Use them for the 1st 5 years and replenish. Unless he turns out to be Thurman Thomas, you don’t extend. 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I am. But I keep having to google players to find out something about them.😉 Nick Ford, center. Pretty good Quote
gobills404 Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 20 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: You take the RB, if Elite, and run him into the ground There aren't any elite backs in this draft 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, gobills404 said: There aren't any elite backs in this draft Teams thought the same of Jonathan Taylor!! Better watch the tape 1 Quote
JGMcD2 Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why not? Use them for the 1st 5 years and replenish. Unless he turns out to be Thurman Thomas, you don’t extend. Again, you’re just making the point for not taking a 1st round RB. A guy you’re taking in the 1st round shouldn’t be someone you think you’re going to have to replace in 5 years. You’re looking for someone that’s a long term building block. A guy you sign to a second contract… most RB don’t make it there and if they do they seldom last. I’ll just list the last decade(ish) of 1st round RB… hardly murderers row and how many made it to another contract (and saw the end of that)? 2010: CJ Spiller, Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best 2011: Mark Ingram 2012: Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson 2015: Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon 2016: Ezekiel Elliot 2017: Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey 2018: Saquon Barkley, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel 2019: Josh Jacobs 2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2021: Najee Harris, Travis Etienne Edited January 1, 2022 by JGMcD2 2 Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why not? Use them for the 1st 5 years and replenish. Unless he turns out to be Thurman Thomas, you don’t extend. Nick Ford, center. Pretty good Thanks. I'll have to read up on him more, but Looks like he has played every position on the line... Not a bad thing at all. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2022 Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Again, you’re just making the point for not taking a 1st round RB. A guy you’re taking in the 1st round shouldn’t be someone you think you’re going to have to replace in 5 years. You’re looking for someone that’s a long term building block. A guy you sign to a second contract… most RB don’t make it there and if they do they seldom last. I’ll just list the last decade(ish) of 1st round RB… hardly murderers row and how many made it to another contract? 2010: CJ Spiller, Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best 2011: Mark Ingram 2012: Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson 2015: Todd Gurkey, Melvin Gordon 2016: Ezekiel Elliot 2017: Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey 2018: Saquon Barkley, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel 2019: Josh Jacobs 2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2021: Najee Harris, Travis Etienne You need THAT GUY now to help Josh Allen. Gurley, McCaffery, Zeke, Ingram were/are difference makers on teams with good QB play their first 5 years. Look at the difference Lombardi Lenny is making in TB with Brady Edited January 1, 2022 by Solomon Grundy Quote
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JGMcD2 Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: You need THAT GUY now to help Josh Allen. Gurley, McCaffery, Zeke, Ingram were/are difference makers on teams with good QB play their first 5 years. Look at the difference Lombardi Lenny is making in TB with Brady You’ve listed 5 top 10 picks and then Ingram who was the Heisman winner. There’s not a RB talent like that in the draft… you can’t just take a 1st round guy and assume he’s going to be that caliber of talent because he was selected RD1. Why not list Chubb, Taylor, Cook, Henry, Mixon and say we need THAT GUY now to help Josh Allen? The value is horrible taking a RB in RD1. Edited January 2, 2022 by JGMcD2 1 Quote
NewEra Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: You take the RB, if Elite, and run him into the ground There’s a lot of depth at OL. Not many elite RBs. Give the the Utah Utes offensive line and I’ll be okay Who else is watching the Utes offensive line destroy the Buckeyes defensive line Elite running backs are often made by good offensive lines. I’d love to see how elite Jonathan Taylor would be if he was playing for the giants or the jets. Build a great OL and you have your elite RB. agree to disagree. 14 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: You need THAT GUY now to help Josh Allen. Gurley, McCaffery, Zeke, Ingram were/are difference makers on teams with good QB play their first 5 years. Look at the difference Lombardi Lenny is making in TB with Brady How many Super Bowls do those guys have? Zeke, Ingram and gurley were all running behind very good/great OL. Elite running backs https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-running-back-rankings-the-32-best-rbs-entering-the-2021-nfl-season 1 1st round pick in the top 6. how many were first round picks? 9 of the top 32 were 1st rd picks and 2 of them hadn’t even played a snap when the list was made (one hasn’t even taken a snap) Edited January 2, 2022 by NewEra 1 Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why not? Use them for the 1st 5 years and replenish. Unless he turns out to be Thurman Thomas, you don’t extend. Nick Ford, center. Pretty good I like that Covey kid. Reminds me of my boy McKenzie. 😁 2 Quote
gobills404 Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 27 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Teams thought the same of Jonathan Taylor!! Better watch the tape If any of these backs run a 4.39 at 225 lb I'll take back what I said Quote
JGMcD2 Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: How many Super Bowls do those guys have? Zeke, Ingram and gurley were all running behind very good/great OL. I’ll lower the bar and just do playoff appearances… Gurley had 2 in his first 5 seasons. Ingram had 2 in his first 5 seasons. Elliot had 2 in his first 5 seasons. McCaffrey has 1 in his first 5 seasons. Fournette will have 3 in his first 5 seasons. 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, gobills404 said: If any of these backs run a 4.39 at 225 lb I'll take back what I said Quote
NewEra Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 52 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: They have a 40 time listed for every player in their database. Literally every player. Do really you think they’re all legit? wait til the combine/pro day. That’s where we’ll find out what his 40 time is Quote
Process Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 57 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Who is the WR version of this? That's who I want in round 1. Quote
SCBills Posted January 2, 2022 Posted January 2, 2022 Keep Britain Covey away from Belichick 1 1 Quote
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