Aaron Rodgers out with Covid, now back but has Covid toe. No, Broken Toe.

[RiotAct]

11 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

What makes you think the Chiefs are lucky? Did you see the game Monday night vs. the NYG?

yeah… Packers should still win this one.  SHOULD.

[DrDawkinstein]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm pretty sure  that's not correct. 

 

I'm pretty sure these rules were in an original proposal, but were revised so that unvaccinated players did not have to travel separately (which would pose a logistical challenge for the teams and potentially result in higher chance of exposure).  Unvaccinated players are supposed to be masked on the plane.

 

 

 

After some more digging, I think you are correct.

[Teddy KGB]

“Holistic vaccine” lmao. 
 

Rodgers and his hippy wife doing California things 😩😩
 

Garlic Salt, Avocado, and a fresh cricket ? 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Always interesting to see reactions to posts.  Someone vomited to my post above and really am interested to know exactly what I wrote that would provoke that sentiment.

 

Rodgers did not take COVID-19 or the NFLPA/NFL's rules seriously.😡

 

1.  Rodgers is more of an idiot than Beasley.  

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Always interesting to see reactions to posts.  Someone vomited to my post above and really am interested to know exactly what I wrote that would provoke that sentiment.

 

Rodgers did not take COVID-19 or the NFLPA/NFL's rules seriously.😡

Was it really necessary to bring up and denigrate Beasley in that post, that to me is worth a "vomit"?  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Always interesting to see reactions to posts.  Someone vomited to my post above and really am interested to know exactly what I wrote that would provoke that sentiment.

 

Rodgers did not take COVID-19 or the NFLPA/NFL's rules seriously.😡

 

It was probably bringing in Beasley's name just to take a crack at him.  

 

You're entitled to your personal opinions about a player.  He's entitled to his choice about the vaccine.

Given that the guy deleted his twitter and is trying to move on from the opinion-warbling that probably sparked your view, it seemed gratuitous.

 

 

31 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

1.  Rodgers is more of an idiot than Beasley. 

 

Asking nicely here: can we not make this Yet Another Thread about Beasley, please?

Especially the guy is a Baller and he went hard for us last Sunday, absent further controversy from him, how about put some respect on that? 

[Saxum]

17 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I could see him going to the Jets, honestly.

 

Like Brett Farve JEST are a team QBs go to finish playing when replaced by young gun.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Not that I'm in any way condoning this but could argue, technically Rogers didn't lie his statement was “Yeah, I’ve been immunized,”  He could easily argue that in his mind based on information he received he was immunized.  And who is to say which doctor is more knowledgeable than another, he followed a doctors advise that he believes in.

 

Yeah, No.  Not buying this.  He's entitled to seek out treatments he believes in from doctors he trusts. 

 

But when it comes to being vaccinated, the NFL/NFLPA agreement was VERY SPECIFIC about what they are referring to as vaccination.  Two shots of Pfizer or Moderna.  One shot of J&J.  One shot of Pfizer or Moderna with a positive Covid PCR test within a certain time frame or antibody tests showing a certain level of antibodies (numerically specified).   Not even other Covid vaccines approved for use elsewhere.

 

Then they have rules, one set if you're vaccinated according to that definition, one set of you're not.  Agree, disagree, those are the rules.

 

It had to be clear to him that when the media was asking if he was vaccinated, they were using the word as defined by the NFL/NFLPA agreement, so at very best, Rodgers answer was deceptive. 

 

No, we all don't get to re-define words in our minds according to what they mean to us; effective communication requires that people define words the same way.

 

13 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Having said that, it is another thing if he broke the rules for un vaxxed players which he can't argue didn't apply to him.

 

Do wonder if the league amended the rules maybe not formally but as long as you're more than 10 feet from anyone interviewing you, you don't need to wear a mask??

 

Breer says no, the mask rules apply to the interview room.  And apparently the Packers know this as they were arranging for other players to be interviewed by zoom.

 

13 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Do agree something here isn't adding up.  Could see the Packers not wanting to get into another confrontation with Rodgers, not going after him too hard on following all the rules to the exact letter of the law.   But have to believe the league would step in and go after the team and seems like almost all the teams in the league are guilty.

 

That last may be true, and then we get into the League's position of "enforcement is left to the clubs - Oh, until and unless we don't like your interpretation/enforcement", which I think is weak.

 

Agree with you about the Packers wanting to tread lightly and not confront Rodgers.  And, if he hadn't tested positive, no one would know.

 

But let's not make it as though it wasn't very clear what the rules were.  "Exact letter of the law" implies to me some minor bureaucratic detail wasn't followed.  These things go to the heart of the matter: are you vaccinated according to a very clear definition we laid out, or are you not?

[Rc2catch]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Always interesting to see reactions to posts.  Someone vomited to my post above and really am interested to know exactly what I wrote that would provoke that sentiment.

 

Rodgers did not take COVID-19 or the NFLPA/NFL's rules seriously.😡

I gave you the eye roll, specifically for using the term idiot. You can make a point without tossing insults at people you

A) don’t even know and

B) don’t agree with 

Part of the reason things can’t be discussed and not just here is because people feel the need to escalate things and result to name calling. You can disagree with people and also show a little respect. 
(side note that I agree with some of what you said) 

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

40 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I gave you the eye roll, specifically for using the term idiot. You can make a point without tossing insults at people you

A) don’t even know and

B) don’t agree with 

Part of the reason things can’t be discussed and not just here is because people feel the need to escalate things and result to name calling. You can disagree with people and also show a little respect. 
(side note that I agree with some of what you said) 

 

The fact is that he brought a specific argument, Rodgers pretended he was vaxed thus getting people around him in danger (because they believed he was vaxed and he was not).

Idiot is this case is too kind of a word and no, this has very little to do with individual "pro vax" or "no vax" ideas.

[Rc2catch]

1 minute ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

 

The fact is that he brought a specific argument, Rodgers pretended he was vaxed thus getting people around him in danger (because they believed he was vaxed and he was not).

Idiot is this case is too kind of a word and no, this has very little to do with individual "pro vax" or "no vax" ideas.

And the reasoning for tossing Beasley in the mix? 

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

And the reasoning for tossing Beasley in the mix? 

Ask him, I'm not his lawyer...😀

[Rc2catch]

Just now, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

Ask him, I'm not his lawyer...😀

Then why quote me to defend the use of the term idiot? I went as far as saying I agreed with part of the argument against Rodgers. All valid points. The poster wanted to know why he received negative reactions, I gave my reasoning. 

[BBills_88]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

Bull manure.   The NFL has had its rules in place since the preseason.  Rodgers chose not to get vaccinated and instead used some kind of "alternative" that obviously wasn't effective.  It's not any kind of conspiracy on the part of the NFL but simply arrogant stupidity on Rodgers' part.

 

FACT: People that are vaccinated are still getting COVID. 

I was making light of the NFL and how they will help the Chiefs make the playoffs. 

[Fan in Chicago]

19 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Rodgers should have spent less time on grooming his new redneck haircut, and more time getting vaccinated.

 

What an idiot.

 

 

I think he is a drama queen but man, is he fun to watch as a QB! Its a shame that the Packers org have settled for "good enough" for team building. With that quality of QB, they should have won at least one more SB 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

The fact is that he brought a specific argument, Rodgers pretended he was vaxed thus getting people around him in danger (because they believed he was vaxed and he was not).

Idiot is this case is too kind of a word and no, this has very little to do with individual "pro vax" or "no vax" ideas.

 

Someone said that Rodgers was following the unvaxxed rules within the facility (albeit not in interviews, but we see other players around the league we believe to be unvaxxed maskless in interviews, so need clarity there).

 

So I'm personally going to reserve judgement on how much Rodgers was breaking the rules until the facts come out (novel notion, I know)

 

Did he lie or at best, answer deceptively when asked if he was vaccinated by reporters, Yes.

 

I will say it will totally rot my socks if our little I-mac and Bease got socked for $14k clams by the NFL for leaving off their mask  in the facility but it comes out Rodgers has been playing a "big star, don't bother me" card to avoid this.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, No.  Not buying this.  He's entitled to seek out treatments he believes in from doctors he trusts. 

 

But when it comes to being vaccinated, the NFL/NFLPA agreement was VERY SPECIFIC about what they are referring to as vaccination.  Two shots of Pfizer or Moderna.  One shot of J&J.  One shot of Pfizer or Moderna with a positive Covid PCR test within a certain time frame or antibody tests showing a certain level of antibodies (numerically specified).   Not even other Covid vaccines approved for use elsewhere.

 

Then they have rules, one set if you're vaccinated according to that definition, one set of you're not.  Agree, disagree, those are the rules.

 

It had to be clear to him that when the media was asking if he was vaccinated, they were using the word as defined by the NFL/NFLPA agreement, so at very best, Rodgers answer was deceptive. 

 

No, we all don't get to re-define words in our minds according to what they mean to us; effective communication requires that people define words the same way.

 

 

Breer says no, the mask rules apply to the interview room.  And apparently the Packers know this as they were arranging for other players to be interviewed by zoom.

 

 

That last may be true, and then we get into the League's position of "enforcement is left to the clubs - Oh, until and unless we don't like your interpretation/enforcement", which I think is weak.

 

Agree with you about the Packers wanting to tread lightly and not confront Rodgers.  And, if he hadn't tested positive, no one would know.

 

But let's not make it as though it wasn't very clear what the rules were.  "Exact letter of the law" implies to me some minor bureaucratic detail wasn't followed.  These things go to the heart of the matter: are you vaccinated according to a very clear definition we laid out, or are you not?

 

Certainly in court of public opinion he's guilty of lying, but legally he didn't lie if he believes or even if he doesn't really truly believe it will keep him from getting Covid.  That was my point, technically he did didn't lie.

 

In this thread, there were people stating he should be suspended, my response was if players and coaches were suspended for not being completely honest with the press, there'd be no players and coaches left.

 

The other question that is still puzzling is how/why is Beasley doing these un masked interviews??  Could it be for all his screaming and yelling about this he's also lying just like Rodgers in that he actually has been vaccinated?  But he's just such a strong believer in person freedoms that he's on this rant??  He wouldn't be the first to do this, but maybe the loudest!

[cba fan]

22 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

 

Why would someone ask an inappropriate and private question like that? That would be reason for termination. 

because it is very relevant now for QB's as Aaron Rogers just tested positive.

Edited November 4, 2021 by cba fan

[Gugny]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Certainly in court of public opinion he's guilty of lying, but legally he didn't lie if he believes or even if he doesn't really truly believe it will keep him from getting Covid.  That was my point, technically he did didn't lie.

 

In this thread, there were people stating he should be suspended, my response was if players and coaches were suspended for not being completely honest with the press, there'd be no players and coaches left.

 

The other question that is still puzzling is how/why is Beasley doing these un masked interviews??  Could it be for all his screaming and yelling about this he's also lying just like Rodgers in that he actually has been vaccinated?  But he's just such a strong believer in person freedoms that he's on this rant??  He wouldn't be the first to do this, but maybe the loudest!

 

Not gonna opine (publicly) on Rodgers, because I'm sure my view is tainted by my belief that he's one of the biggest douchebags walking the planet.

 

But I will say that I am shocked (and pleased) that Beasley has been able to keep himself off of social media to chime in on this situation/support Rodgers.  I hope that mute button has been superglued down for the rest of the season.

 

[cba fan]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that might be one of the points people are making - that if there are violations that are occurring right in front of the league, like unvaccinated players doing pressers unmasked - if the league is turning a blind eye to it until there's a problem, then saying "oh, well, it's the club's responsibility to enforce", that's pretty damned lame especially after they fined Beasley and 'lil Dirty in pre-season.

agreed. Especially considering they dissect video of every game and fine players for having the wrong gear on, or socks not up properly......etc etc.........