Week 9: Bills at Jags

[Dr. K]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I feel a bit bad for Lawrence, but part of me is Salty over the power of narrative.

 

The narrative when the Jags drafted Lawrence was "consensus no-brainer pick. He was a generational talent set to take a cursed Jaguars franchise and turn them into a contender. A golden-armed prodigy taking the form of something the NFL hadn’t seen since Andrew Luck."

 

So now that he's completing 59.6% of his passes and has thrown 9 picks to 8 TDs, the narrative is that "Trevor Lawrence is being failed by the entire Jaguars organization".

 

It makes me salty because in Allen's rookie season, he was considered way too raw to take starter reps in training camp and preseason, then pitchforked into the first game at halftime.  His OL was Dawkins -Ducasse (last season) -Bodine (last season)-Miller-Mills (last season as starter) - so 3/5 guys on their way out of the league and 1/5 guard who went on to play for some bad OLs.  His top WR were Zay "13 ypg for LVR" Jones, fat Kelvin Benjamin (last year in football), and rookie Robert Foster. 

 

And yet because of the "narrative" that Allen was "a parody of a first round draft pick" (see Josh Allen receipts thread) etc, the "narrative" his first year wasn't that the organization had mismanaged the situation and hadn't put enough talent around him; the narrative was that he sucked.

 

The writer John Gardner had a saying about the power of narrative to control people's minds: “Nothing in the world has greater power to enslave than does fiction” (The Art of Fiction, p 87).

 

Like Marv Levy's quote (paraphrase): "If you get a reputation for rising early you can sleep till noon for the rest of your life."

 

Once people have bought into a narrative it takes dynamite to get them to change their minds. Most will never do it. 

[BassToMouth]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Missed is the wrong word.  Ignored would be the correct word here.  Groot must not be old enough to get that call.

The refs ‘suck’ 

4 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

The writer John Gardner had a saying about the power of narrative to control people's minds: “Nothing in the world has greater power to enslave than does fiction” (The Art of Fiction, p 87).

 

Like Marv Levy's quote (paraphrase): "If you get a reputation for rising early you can sleep till noon for the rest of your life."

 

Once people have bought into a narrative it takes dynamite to get them to change their minds. Most will never do it. 

My copy is feet away from me lol 

[Dukestreetking]

2 minutes ago, BassToMouth said:

The refs ‘suck’ 

An o/t hat tip "awesome" to you sir...just b/c your's is now, far and away, my favorite forum name.

 

Prurient, vulgar, objectionable...but with a healthy dash of very clever, a splash of independent thought, and just damn funny as hell.

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 I’d absolutely move my team to the afc if I was one of these nfc playoff competitors and that was possible 😂 you’re almost guaranteed to have to beat the rams or the packers in the nfc championship and I can’t think of anyone comparable to either of those teams in the afc. Might be a little bit tougher matchup in an earlier round but I’d take that over having to run that gauntlet in the nfc 

Tiger Woods used to always say, it is not how many shots are between me and the Leader that matters, it’s how many other golfers that matters. I believe his point was if one or two players were ahead of him he trusted his ability enough to make up any deficit, but if there are 10 players between him and the lead, even if the gap is closer, there are many more variables to overcome. 
 

This is how I feel about the AFC. Way more variables to overcome. 

 

PS: per the bold part above, Josh Allen and the Bills said hi.  
 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by buffaloboyinATL

[CSBill]

19 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I predict Stevenson would only be a slight improvement at guard.

 

Are you sure about that?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Tiger Woods used to always say, it is not how many shots are between me and the Leader that matters, it’s how many other golfers that matters. I believe his point was if one or two players were ahead of him he trusted his ability enough to make up any deficit, but if there are 10 players between him and the lead, even if the gap is closer, there are many more variables to overcome. 
 

This is how I feel about the AFC. Way more variables to overcome. 

 

PS: per the bold part above, Josh Allen and the Bills said hi.  
 

 

Interesting because all but one of his Major wins occurred with him in the lead after the third round.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

22 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

i feel like remember this being a huge issue last year. Good to see stuff like this. 

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

[wjag]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

Missed one gap..

Edited November 3, 2021 by wjag

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, wjag said:

Missed one gap..

that was basically it. He was at 3.5 ypc on all other carries.

[Patrick Duffy]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Missed is the wrong word.  Ignored would be the correct word here.  Groot must not be old enough to get that call.

, yeah that or either they somehow got confused and thought GR was Hughes and was never any intention to throw the flag in the 1st place lol

Edited November 3, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[JGMcD2]

32 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

Yeah really. I mean it's D Henry we talking about in this case. Despite the holding(s) not called on that big TD run, he still is the hardest in the league to stop. Although, Bills have done a good job against him up until that point.

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

 

Plus Henry isn't your typical average back. He is the best RB in the league and its not even close. Losing him is a devastating blow for the Titans. They will win their division but have almost no shot at the Super Bowl. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

Plus Henry isn't your typical average back. He is the best RB in the league and its not even close. Losing him is a devastating blow for the Titans. They will win their division but have almost no shot at the Super Bowl. 

Yeah it's a big blow for sure, but imo I think they did about the best thing by bringing in AP. He will still help them in their P/A game, maybe not as much as Henry, but as long as AP still has some juice left they are still pretty dangerous team

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah it's a big blow for sure, but imo I think they did about the best thing by bringing in AP. He will still help them in their P/A game, maybe not as much as Henry, but as long as AP still has some juice left they are still pretty dangerous team

 

They are still a good team and AP will help. No way (IMHO) do they get by the Bills, Ravens now. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

Henry had 17 rushes for 35 yards.  Their gap integrity failed on 3 plays.  Not to mention the refs failing to open their eyes

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Henry had 17 rushes for 35 yards.  Their gap integrity failed on 3 plays.  Not to mention the refs failing to open their eyes

Exactly, said same thing. Kinda thought it was one of those things that went without saying myself, but anyways lol

[NewEra]

Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Exactly, said same thing. Kinda thought it was one of those things that went without saying myself, but anyways lol

Ethan will be Ethan

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, NewEra said:

Ethan will be Ethan

Lol, yeah I've noticed there are a few that post some things that make you scratch your head....