This O-line is why the Bills won’t win it all this year.

[newcam2012]

53 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

A win against the Dolphins should do nothing to quiet fears of not achieving the ultimate goal.

A win does contribute to the ultimate goal. Fear is perception. 

[GETTOTHE50]

lmao one week at a time. any given sunday

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

For what it’s worth (which could be nothing), I met Morse’s uncle on a flight to the opener. He said it would be his last season in Buffalo. I mentioned I thought he had another year on his contract, and he just shrugged and said “we’ll, you know…” 

 

That could be meaningless, but it makes me curious. 

 

Recall you posting that a month or so ago.  Wonder was the assumption that the Bills were going to cut him or that Morse was going to retire maybe due to all the concussions??   Do wonder now based on his level of play will that change as seems to be playing much better than last year.?

[Doc]

With Ford being a bust, Dawkins still not 100% recovered from his bout with COVID, Brown being a rookie and Williams having to re-learn RG, there were bound to be some hiccups.  After the season I don't think I'd cut Williams and I'm not sure who they can get to replace/upgrade Morse.  So it will have to be LG that they target, after cutting Feliciano.

 

Edit: If this is truly Morse's last season, then they'll have to find a replacement for him as well.  He'll save $3.75M (and Feliciano will save another $3).

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Recall you posting that a month or so ago.  Wonder was the assumption that the Bills were going to cut him or that Morse was going to retire maybe due to all the concussions??   Do wonder now based on his level of play will that change as seems to be playing much better than last year.?

 

I have no idea, and it created all kinds of questions in my mind. First and foremost, I wouldn’t want that offered to strangers in an airport. “Gee! Thanks uncle Bob!” But if I know, I’m sure the Bills know. 🤷‍♀️

 

Then I wonder if that’s his personal decision, he’s wealthy enough and the concussions should concern him. I think that is more likely than the Bills saying they are moving on and you need to make plans. They have no replacement.  Regardless, I thank him for his service to our team and hope he finishes healthy and with a Super Bowl ring. What a way to go out! 

[ndirish1978]

I'd trade for a G. I think we need something. 

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

For what it’s worth (which could be nothing), I met Morse’s uncle on a flight to the opener. He said it would be his last season in Buffalo. I mentioned I thought he had another year on his contract, and he just shrugged and said “we’ll, you know…” 

 

That could be meaningless, but it makes me curious. 

 

retire after winning super bowl?

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

With Ford being a bust, Dawkins still not 100% recovered from his bout with COVID, Brown being a rookie and Williams having to re-learn RG, there were bound to be some hiccups.  After the season I don't think I'd cut Williams and I'm not sure who they can get to replace/upgrade Morse.  So it will have to be LG that they target, after cutting Feliciano.

 

Edit: If this is truly Morse's last season, then they'll have to find a replacement for him as well.  He'll save $3.75M (and Feliciano will save another $3).

 

Center can be drafted.  We should have taken Creed Humphrey on rd 2 over Basham. 

[Greg S]

The OL is a concern but unfortunately I don't think they can improve it until April.

[Back2Buff]

I'm done with Feliciano, the guy is consistently the weakest guy on line.  Get him out of the starting line up.

 

I'm trying Bates.  What's the worst that can happen?

 

Dawkins-Ike-Morse-Bates-Williams (even when Brown comes back, Brown was the worse player vs Ten, even worse than Feliciano, which is saying a lot).

[Greg S]

That Jets game in two weeks isn't looking like a gimme anymore. The Jets D line is pretty good and they can bring pressure. Given the Bills weak OL I could see them being dominated again just like yesterday's 1st half. The Bills should still win being the better team but I could see Allen scrambling and being under pressure all game long. Just ask the Titans and Bengals how easy is it to get a win at MetLife. Since the Jets have no shot at the playoffs they will probably treat the game against the Bills as their own personal Super Bowl. You want to see how you measure up against the top team in the division.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

We know what the goal is. All I am saying is the OL can improve, just like they did last year. And the offensive line wasn’t the problem in last year’s AFC championship game.

It wasn't? Chris Jones ate our lunch all game.

Edited November 1, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Thurman#1]

 

13 hours ago, JY422 said:

This O-line is why the Bills won’t win it all this year.
 

 

There is no reason why the Bills won't win it all this year.

 

A bunch why they possibly might not. Which is also true for every single other team in the league and was true for the Bucs last year and every champion there ever was.

 

But not a single reason they won't.

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

There is no reason why the Bills won't win it all this year.

 

A bunch why they possibly might not. Which is also true for every single other team in the league and was true for the Bucs last year and every champion there ever was.

 

But not a single reason they won't.

If the O line gets blown up by a team with big DTs and that in turn does not allow our offense to operate in a playoff game they will be the reason why we lost.  We have lost two games thus far this year, and struggled yesterday.  In each of those the interior line struggled aganist bigger DTs.  The guys in the middle are simply not strong enough to consistently withstand big interior D linemen.  

[LABILLBACKER]

I think we can get to the SB this year but actually winning it will depend entirely on Josh's athleticism. If he had the pocket protection or running game that Brady had in NE, this would be game over. I have no doubt Beane will focus heavy on OL in the draft and FA.

[aristocrat]

Brandon Scherff has an 18 mil cap hit and free agent at end of year. Not sure what it takes to get him and how we'd fit him in but adding him to the interior would be fantastic. 

[Billever76]

17 hours ago, JY422 said:

Man I love this team.

Big 2nd half today. 
The heart.

The passion. 

Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. 

Tyler Bass is a stud. 
Coverage teams are great. 
This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history.
Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned)

Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. 
The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. 
Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). 
 

All that leads me to my main point…

This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. 

Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. 
I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. 
Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie.

Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot.  
Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. 
Best case scenario?

Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. 
I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY!

 

Please, someone convince me I am wrong. 
I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports!

 

I think the oline will get better as the season progresses

[appoo]

I think RB is a bigger problem than OL tbh

[maryland-bills-fan]

18 hours ago, JY422 said:

Man I love this team.

Big 2nd half today. 
The heart.

The passion. 

Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. 

Tyler Bass is a stud. 
Coverage teams are great. 
This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history.
Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned)

Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. 
The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. 
Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). 
 

All that leads me to my main point…

This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. 

Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. 
I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. 
Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie.

Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot.  
Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. 
Best case scenario?

Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. 
I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY!

 

Please, someone convince me I am wrong. 
I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports!

 

Well you ARE wrong.   Put the bong down and looks at the ratio of sacks to TD passes.  Enough said.  (nickname "Panama Red")

 

[FilthyBeast]

18 hours ago, JY422 said:

Man I love this team.

Big 2nd half today. 
The heart.

The passion. 

Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. 

Tyler Bass is a stud. 
Coverage teams are great. 
This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history.
Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned)

Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. 
The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. 
Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). 
 

All that leads me to my main point…

This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. 

Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. 
I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. 
Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie.

Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot.  
Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. 
Best case scenario?

Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. 
I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY!

 

Please, someone convince me I am wrong. 
I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports!

 

 

History has shown that teams with average to subpar olines will get blown out in the SB even if they make it there.

 

I also think that our dline still isn't good enough either but not sure Beane can address both of these issues in the next few days even if he wanted to.

[Scott7975]

Could you imagine a QB like Drew Bledsoe behind this line?  I wish Beane would make a trade for somebody.  There has to be someone out there better than some of the crap we got like Feliciano.  I don't like to dog on players but he and Ford are horrendous.  The other guys are serviceable at best.  There are times in a game they give Josh good protection but that doesn't outweigh the complete jailbreaks that happen in every single game.