JY422 Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 Man I love this team. Big 2nd half today. The heart. The passion. Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. Tyler Bass is a stud. Coverage teams are great. This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history. Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned) Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). All that leads me to my main point… This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie. Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot. Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. Best case scenario? Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY! Please, someone convince me I am wrong. I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports! 3 2 7 1 2 1 Quote
Augie Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 Let’s just win next week. That’s all that matters at this point. I won’t even TRY to convince you that you are wrong, but we have a LOT of games to play. At this time last year the Buc’s looked like an average team. Seasons are long, and things change. The OLine has mostly been average at best. I feel confident it will get a major overhaul this off season, much like the DLine and WR the last few years. 4 3 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 Think they need to stop running on 1st downs as the line isn't good enough to move bodies when the defense expects it. On the other side, Allan can make poor line play look better with his ability to move around it and his strength. They can have some success at running when defense doesn't expect it as much. 2 1 Quote
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 All of the top AFC teams are very inconsistent this year so I can see the Bills making the superbowl in spite of our poor o-line play, only to get absolutely blown up by Tampa's D-line. Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 Just now, Augie said: Let’s just win next week. That’s all that matters at this point. I won’t even TRY to convince you that you are wrong, but we have a LOT of games to play. At this time last year the Buc’s looked like an average team. Seasons are long, and things change. The OLine has mostly been average at best. I feel confident it will get a major overhaul this off season, much like the DLine and WR the last few years. Morse has been a pleasant surprise overall. Do wonder if Dawkins still is not 100% back from Covid. Brown has a good future, issue is at guard Could see them signing a top level FA guard and draft a center/guard either to start next season or sit one year behind maybe Williams or Morse. Assuming Dawkins is back to his 2020 level and Brown has a year under his belt, add FA guard and maybe another rookie starter and could improve quickly. Quote
cale Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 I honestly don't know why they don't elevate Antonio Williams. He makes his own holes to run through. He comes from a RB machine school. I don't know much about his receiving and blocking skills. So not a great 11 personell guy. But good Lord. We need at least the semblance of a running threat. No one fears this O line. 3 2 Quote
Nextmanup Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: All of the top AFC teams are very inconsistent this year so I can see the Bills making the superbowl in spite of our poor o-line play, only to get absolutely blown up by Tampa's D-line. No thanks. I've had enough of watching the Bills get blown up by a dominant NFC team in the Super Bowl! In all fairness, you can argue that addressing the O line (in the offseason) is the last piece of the puzzle that needs to be added for us to truly be a SB contender. Probably won't happen this year. 1 1 Quote
Motorin' Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, JY422 said: Man I love this team. Big 2nd half today. The heart. The passion. Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. Tyler Bass is a stud. Coverage teams are great. This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history. Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned) Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). All that leads me to my main point… This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie. Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot. Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. Best case scenario? Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY! Please, someone convince me I am wrong. I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports! You're wrong. The Offensive line is going to singlehandedly win the Super Bowl next week! 1 Quote
Process Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: No thanks. I've had enough of watching the Bills get blown up by a dominant NFC team in the Super Bowl! In all fairness, you can argue that addressing the O line (in the offseason) is the last piece of the puzzle that needs to be added for us to truly be a SB contender. Probably won't happen this year. The Bills are the best team in the AFC and it's really not even close. I'm gona go out on a limb and say that they are probably a Suberbowl contender this year. They are #2 in best odds to win the SB at all sportsbooks. Might be #1 if the Bucs lose. Jesus effing christ Quote
Augie Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Morse has been a pleasant surprise overall. Do wonder if Dawkins still is not 100% back from Covid. Brown has a good future, issue is at guard Could see them signing a top level FA guard and draft a center/guard either to start next season or sit one year behind maybe Williams or Morse. Assuming Dawkins is back to his 2020 level and Brown has a year under his belt, add FA guard and maybe another rookie starter and could improve quickly. For what it’s worth (which could be nothing), I met Morse’s uncle on a flight to the opener. He said it would be his last season in Buffalo. I mentioned I thought he had another year on his contract, and he just shrugged and said “we’ll, you know…” That could be meaningless, but it makes me curious. 2 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) My reasons why we'll win the SB list is pretty lengthy. My list of reasons why we can't is very short but it's exactly what the OP says. I'd add no "game breaking RB" to concern defenses as a part of it. We need Knox. He's clearly important. Edited October 31, 2021 by Big Blitz 2 Quote
benderbender Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 It’s an indictment on our OL when a rookie can be inserted into the lineup, gets hurt, and we greatly feel his loss. 3 2 Quote
Warcodered Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 But in other news we won today. 2 1 1 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JY422 said: Man I love this team. Big 2nd half today. The heart. The passion. Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. Tyler Bass is a stud. Coverage teams are great. This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history. Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned) Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). All that leads me to my main point… This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie. Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot. Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. Best case scenario? Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY! Please, someone convince me I am wrong. I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports! I think you’re comparing our roster to an ideal team in an ideal year…the reduced salary cap has left all teams with pretty glaring holes. If not the bills who do you see in the super bowl from the afc? Seems wide open and I’d bet on the team that’s plus like 130 in point differential lol our two losses feel more unlucky this year compared to us getting absolutely embarrassed twice last year Edited October 31, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote
oldmanfan Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 I keep saying football comes down to physically beating the guy in front of you. Our O line cannot do that against the better DTs. They just are not strong enough. 1 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, JY422 said: Man I love this team. Big 2nd half today. The heart. The passion. Even the anger we saw today is a welcome sight. Tyler Bass is a stud. Coverage teams are great. This secondary is arguably the best in Bills history. Same with the WR Corp. (some may prefer Reed, Lofton, and Beebe. Flip a coin as far as I am concerned) Edmunds has finally started to play like the ProBowler he is and Milano is stud. The D-Line is more than serviceable and so are the RBs, Punting and Return game. Lastly, JA17 is in a hierarchy even Jimbo wasn’t in during his playing days. While I agree that it is too early to say the totality of Josh’s career will be hall-of-fame-worthy the way Kelly’s was I will point out that, at this moment of his career, JA17 is regularly discussed by national media as a “top 10 player in the NFL” and Jim’s name was never really involved in those discussions back in the day. (Those debates regularly included Rice, Montana, Marino, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Neon Deon, LT, Reggie White and maybe even Thurman and Bruce at times). All that leads me to my main point… This O-line is the one weakness this Bills team has and they are the reason I believe the Bills cannot win the SB this year outside of some kind of other-worldly string of performances by Josh and the Defense. Morse is the only consistent performer and even he is only slightly above average. I really thought this group was going to come off the bye with a “pissed-off-us-against-the-world” mentality against a 1-6 phins squad with the 31st ranked defense in the league. Instead, it took JA17 putting the entire offense on his back and willing them to victory all while taking far too much punishment along the way. Mongo and Dawkins are great teammates and no doubt they give their all for the team and ALWAY have Josh’s back but they just aren’t good enough. Williams is serviceable and it is admirable that he can swing between tackle and guard on a weekly basis. Ideally he would be a high level backup swing player. If healthy, Spencer Brown is likely going to be the best OLineman by the end of the season but that isn’t saying much and he’s still a rookie. Ike is serviceable and Ford is just a warm body occupying a roster spot. Playoff teams are almost always evenly matched and the games are usually won in the trenches. This Oline has yet to show anyone that they can be the reason the Bills are able to run out the clock during a tight game in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. Best case scenario? Dawkins rounds into the best version of himself going into the second half of the season. Brown comes back healthy and continues to improve. Williams and Mongo play above their ability as the line gels together as a complete unit. I just don’t see it happening. Which will be a shame because this is such a tight knit team and it would be such an amazing story to see this be the collection of players and coaches that finally bring a championship to WNY! Please, someone convince me I am wrong. I’ve never wanted to be more wrong about anything in sports! People said the same thing about the OL early last year and they figured it out enough to get all the way to the AFC championship game. Why don’t you calm down. 1 1 Quote
JY422 Posted October 31, 2021 Author Posted October 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I think you’re comparing our roster to an ideal team in an ideal year…the reduced salary cap has left all teams with pretty glaring holes. If not the bills who do you see in the super bowl from the afc? Seems wide open and I’d bet on the team that’s plus like 130 in point differential lol our two losses feel more unlucky this year compared to us getting absolutely embarrassed twice last year No one in the AFC is better than the Bills. Although I believe the AFC playoffs will be a slugfest, I believe the Bills will emerge. However, the title of the post refers to winning the championship. I just think the Bucs, Pack, and Rams may be more than our Oline can handle after making it thru the AFC matchups with (likely) TN and Baltimore. Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JY422 said: No one in the AFC is better than the Bills. Although I believe the AFC playoffs will be a slugfest, I believe the Bills will emerge. However, the title of the post refers to winning the championship. I just think the Bucs, Pack, and Rams may be more than our Oline can handle after making it thru the AFC matchups with (likely) TN and Baltimore. Fortunately we don’t have to play all three of those teams in the playoffs and only one will make it to the super bowl lol they also don’t see us as often as the dolphins do. On paper the dolphins d really isn’t far behind any of those teams it’s impossible to say how much has been them underperforming up to this point and how much was us struggling. Lots of games to go to figure that out Edited October 31, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote
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