Somethings GOT to be done a the interior o line

[freddyjj]

Mongo was on bench at the end of game with what looked like an ice pack on his left leg -  Ford had to come in and finished game at RG  

 

If Feliciano is unable to go for while wonder if OBD will try and grab Hernandez from Giants - Beane / Gettleman connection 

Edited October 31, 2021 by freddyjj

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I think the weight loss was not good for his game.

 

 

 

Sounds like the Bills didn't know anything about it either.  Wonder if they'd have resigned him if they had?

 

O-line play takes some time for players to jell together so not sure unless you were to get a real top star, how much improvement you'd really see at least short term.  You could easily improve depth, but that's not the issue, its the starting guards. 

 

Who knows Feleciano may have taken care of the issue as looked hurt at the end.  That could also more force a trade too. 

 

Morse has looked better than expected and think we're good at both tackles.  In the off season I'd sign a top FA guard and also draft in maybe 2nd or 3rd a center/guard to become starter in 2023. 

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

ah, Bills Mafia turns into Bills Firing Squad, as predicted.  Let me see... yep, I can set my watch to 5:51pm.   

 

Even after a win.   So predictable.  

If the only thing that mattered about being a sports fan was wins and losses...then there would be no need for a message forum like this.  Some of us LIKE talking more in depth about what we saw, what worked, what didn't work, what can be improved on.  There are many of us who think sports are a bit deeper than just the scoreboard and we like to discuss these issues.

 

You know what else is 'so predictable'?  someone like you complaining about the things people talk about on this forum after a win. 

Edited October 31, 2021 by mjd1001

[JerseyBills]

Feliciano seems like the weak link and today showed how good and valuable Spencer is. 

 

Williams at RG Mitch at C is fine . Gotta find a LG either through trade or put Ike , Ford there . 

 

The great part is we overcame that adversity today and have 2 more weeks vs teams we should manhandle and figure out how to get this OL right for the 1st seed push

Had issues and went on 3 straight TD drives! 

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

48 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

ah, Bills Mafia turns into Bills Firing Squad, as predicted.  Let me see... yep, I can set my watch to 5:51pm.   

 

Even after a win.   So predictable.  

Hey— wait a second! I think we are only the second most toxic fan base! 

[TFBillsfan]

Not sure what you can do at this point. Sweeney was getting destroyed trying to block. Feliciano had another rough game again. Spencer has potential but he got blown away vs. the Titans so IMO the jury is still out.
 

Things I’d like to see more of. Move the pocket more, draws, WR reverses and what happened w Gilliam playing FB/TE. Our running game just seems like it takes too long to develop and it’s very obvious when we are going to run.

[Utah John]

Beane doesn't chase solutions to problems.  He has been successively upgrading each position on the field.  He's finally got the defense manned up the way he wants with the possible exception of CB2.    Now he can move on to the O line.  He found Brown this year and that's great, but guard play has been the weakest link. The Bills are solid enough everywhere that they can spend a first on a beast for a guard, the kind of mauler that Feliciano was before he went all Jenny Craig and got too light to be effective.

 

So I expect the Bills to dance with the guys that brung ya.  The team they started with is the team they'll stay with.  Despite the O line being worse than average, everything else is considerably better than average.  All teams have a weak link, and it might as well be that the O line is ours.  With Allen's abilities the O line does not doom the Bills from success in the postseason.

 

[DC Greg]

It’s actually impressive how bad Feliciano has been. It’s not easy to be that noticeably bad from the guard spot. He’s not just playing “below average.” He’s being completely dominated and committing mental errors/costly penalties on top of it. Incredibly bad.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Beane doesn't chase solutions to problems.  He has been successively upgrading each position on the field.  He's finally got the defense manned up the way he wants with the possible exception of CB2.    Now he can move on to the O line.  He found Brown this year and that's great, but guard play has been the weakest link. The Bills are solid enough everywhere that they can spend a first on a beast for a guard, the kind of mauler that Feliciano was before he went all Jenny Craig and got too light to be effective.

 

So I expect the Bills to dance with the guys that brung ya.  The team they started with is the team they'll stay with.  Despite the O line being worse than average, everything else is considerably better than average.  All teams have a weak link, and it might as well be that the O line is ours.  With Allen's abilities the O line does not doom the Bills from success in the postseason.

 

Mongo was never a beast who was comparable to a guard drafted in the first round …. He was always mediocre at best, but fans liked. The nickname Mongo and thought tattoos made him tough. 

[Nextmanup]

I would imagine the O line will receive a lot of attention come draft and free agency time next year.

 

Won't help us this year in the playoffs, though.

 

A minor trade at the deadline on Tuesday would be welcomed.

 

 

[hemma]

Did Bates spit on a coach’s shoe during practice?

The few snaps he gets always seem solid.  

(Next man up/only man left) = Bates.  

Let’s see what he’s got.

[foreboding]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Overpay. Bills should be all in now to win the SB. Who cares about future draft picks when you might be able to get a guy that has already proven to be good. Epenesa, Ford, Basham all second round picks that are doing little to nothing. 

It's time to mortgage the future to win now!!!!

I think it's time for you to go outside. 

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

Run the ball less. Stop forcing yourself to do what you are not good at. 

 

Comments like this show this board is bipolar... After the Pittsburgh game, it was all about how making Josh do everything & throwing 40-50 times is going to screw us, and now we're wanting to be one-dimensional again? 

 

Wasn't there a post on here a few weeks ago with a coach talking about why running is important, even when you're only getting 1-2 yards a play, that had a million upvotes & everyone saying "see, this is why we need to run more!"

 

Yet after a bad showing, we're back to wanting Josh to face off against defenses that drop everyone into coverage & hope for the best...

[Scott7975]

25 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Comments like this show this board is bipolar... After the Pittsburgh game, it was all about how making Josh do everything & throwing 40-50 times is going to screw us, and now we're wanting to be one-dimensional again? 

 

Wasn't there a post on here a few weeks ago with a coach talking about why running is important, even when you're only getting 1-2 yards a play, that had a million upvotes & everyone saying "see, this is why we need to run more!"

 

Yet after a bad showing, we're back to wanting Josh to face off against defenses that drop everyone into coverage & hope for the best...

 

I don't think anyone wannnnnts to be one dimensional.  Most just realize the running game sucks so why force it.  Do what you do best.  Thats how I think about it anyways.  Obviously they should still run the football but its just too obvious and lack luster.  There is no ebb and flow.  Daboll does not mix it up.  I don't think he understands the concept of doing so.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Sounds like the Bills didn't know anything about it either.  Wonder if they'd have resigned him if they had?

 

O-line play takes some time for players to jell together so not sure unless you were to get a real top star, how much improvement you'd really see at least short term.  You could easily improve depth, but that's not the issue, its the starting guards. 

 

Who knows Feleciano may have taken care of the issue as looked hurt at the end.  That could also more force a trade too. 

 

Morse has looked better than expected and think we're good at both tackles.  In the off season I'd sign a top FA guard and also draft in maybe 2nd or 3rd a center/guard to become starter in 2023. 

 

You really think thick he Bills didn't want him to lose weight?

 

 

2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Even if it has to be a slight overpay Norwell or Hernandez as a plan B.

Im open to it👍

 

Who is Hernandez?

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Buffalo Barbarian

[TheBeaneBandit]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You really think thick he Bills didn't want him to lose weight?

 

 

 

Who is Hernandez?

 

 

Giants G 2nd round pick in last year of rookie deal. Pretty good G that the Gmen probably lose to free agency anyways.

[auburnbillsbacker]

2 hours ago, Utah John said:

Beane doesn't chase solutions to problems.  He has been successively upgrading each position on the field.  He's finally got the defense manned up the way he wants with the possible exception of CB2.    Now he can move on to the O line.  He found Brown this year and that's great, but guard play has been the weakest link. The Bills are solid enough everywhere that they can spend a first on a beast for a guard, the kind of mauler that Feliciano was before he went all Jenny Craig and got too light to be effective.

 

So I expect the Bills to dance with the guys that brung ya.  The team they started with is the team they'll stay with.  Despite the O line being worse than average, everything else is considerably better than average.  All teams have a weak link, and it might as well be that the O line is ours.  With Allen's abilities the O line does not doom the Bills from success in the postseason.

 

I respectfully disagree.  He always talks about year round roster building.  If an opportunity is there I wouldn't be shocked if he made a move. 

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

The Dolphins are great on the interior Dline. I actually think our Oline did average against them. The gameplan needs to help them out more, and it did in the second half. 
 

I don’t disagree that we need to upgrade at the guard positions, but we are serviceable there. 

I’d love to think that the Bills can swing a trade for an Andrew Norwell but that’s a pipe dream.  Not gonna happen.  You don’t usually find guards at the trade deadline.

 

That leaves the Bills with a few options, given that Spencer Brown hopefully isn’t a long term injury.  

 

1. stay the course with the starting five you have (Dawkins, Feliciano, Morse, Williams, Brown), try to mask deficiencies as best as possible with blocking scheme, and pray that they play better.

 

2. Try switching out Feliciano with Ford, Boettger, or possibly Ryan Bates

 

3. Call up Jamil Douglas and throw him in the mix.  
 

4. Try using Tommy Doyle at RT to compete with Brown. 
 

None of these options are very good but #1 is probably the best choice.   As far as Feliciano, he’s not great but he’s better than the other names on this roster at guard. 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Mitch is solid and D Williams when he kicks inside was effective in my opinion. But Mongo has been below average. Not tragic like Ford was but a definite weak link. The only issue is that there isn’t much out on the market and the Bills have a cap situation that isn’t the best.

 

It also doesn’t help that good Oline players are usually not on the trade market mid season. Maybe if they get Brown back they can kick Williams inside and put in Ike? Internal options aren’t the best.

I'm sorry, but Mitch is not solid. I'm speaking of Morse not Trubisky

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You really think thick he Bills didn't want him to lose weight?

 

I don't know,  thought there was some comments made back in the spring that sounded like they didn't.  Or maybe they asked him to lose weight, but not that much??

 

Also kind of interesting that last year sounded like Epenesa lost more weight than what appeared to be a good idea and what was suggested.  Maybe the training staff suggested it, but the players went above and beyond?? 

 

Two years in a row with different players??  Where there's smoke there's fire as they say!  Something's going on??