Zach Wilson knee injury [sprained PCL, miss 2-4 weeks]

[Freddie's Dead]

52 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

No foul on the Guy hit is a joke.  Cheaters gonna Cheat.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

No foul on the Guy hit is a joke.  Cheaters gonna Cheat.

Collinsworth thinks that's just some good old clean fun.

[TNBills]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

No foul on the Guy hit is a joke.  Cheaters gonna Cheat.

 Does look dirty but he's outside the pocket so no protection for low hits. 

[Hebert19]

Can you believe the jets thought it was a good idea to have Wilson and Mike white as their Qbs.  That's like having a rookie and Peterman...oh wait. 

[Freddie's Dead]

55 minutes ago, Calidiehard said:

 Does look dirty but he's outside the pocket so no protection for low hits. 

 

Don't confuse me with facts.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Estro said:

Dr. Chao on twitter, who's pretty spot on when it comes to injuries and recovery times, has it as a grade 2 PCL strain. Normal recovery time of 2-4 weeks, if it's grade 3, which he didn't rule out it would be a bit longer.

 

So by the sounds of it, it looks like he's def. out the next 2 games and a better than 50/50 chance he's out for the Bills game. Although a 3 week return is possible according to the Dr's timeline.

 

If Wilson is put on IR he'd be out 3 games ensuring he misses the Bills game.

 

If Jets don't IR Zach Wilson by the end of this week, it'd be a sign they think he can get back in time for Bills game. We will see

 

I don't even know who the Jets backup QB is, but from what I've seen, think I'd rather face Wilson so hope he's OK.  Best case he's back in 2 to 3 weeks, plays against the Bills, but is less than 100% mobile which would make a bad situation for the Jets even worse.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I don't even know who the Jets backup QB is, but from what I've seen, think I'd rather face Wilson so hope he's OK.  Best case he's back in 2 to 3 weeks, plays against the Bills, but is less than 100% mobile which would make a bad situation for the Jets even worse.

Really want to see Wilson versus Rousseau and the rest of our D.

 

 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

The first one looks penalty worthy, if he was Tom Brady. The second one? Meh.

Neither were dirty, in my opinion. The first one had a bad outcome, but he got hit right as he threw and I'm sure he counted as a runner there (if not, he probably should have gotten the flag because he was hit low).

 

Second one is not a flag in any way. Not sure how any fan could complain about that. He hit him at the waist level and fell down with him.

[BigDingus]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Neither were dirty, in my opinion. The first one had a bad outcome, but he got hit right as he threw and I'm sure he counted as a runner there (if not, he probably should have gotten the flag because he was hit low).

 

Second one is not a flag in any way. Not sure how any fan could complain about that. He hit him at the waist level and fell down with him.

 

But consistency matters. If Ed Oliver falling on Mahomes' feet trying to make a play while getting pushed is roughing the passer, that first hit on Wilson HAS to be called. 

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Really want to see Wilson versus Rousseau and the rest of our D.

 

 

 

[TNBills]

15 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

But consistency matters. If Ed Oliver falling on Mahomes' feet trying to make a play while getting pushed is roughing the passer, that first hit on Wilson HAS to be called. 

Mahomes was in the pocket and receives protection. Outside the pocket he is now treated like a runner and not afforded the below the knees call.  Oliver's shouldn't have been called because he was blocked/pushed down towards the knee.

[Rochesterfan]

19 minutes ago, MJS said:

Neither were dirty, in my opinion. The first one had a bad outcome, but he got hit right as he threw and I'm sure he counted as a runner there (if not, he probably should have gotten the flag because he was hit low).

 

Second one is not a flag in any way. Not sure how any fan could complain about that. He hit him at the waist level and fell down with him.

 

Totally agree.

[Rochesterfan]

17 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

But consistency matters. If Ed Oliver falling on Mahomes' feet trying to make a play while getting pushed is roughing the passer, that first hit on Wilson HAS to be called. 

 

Huge difference - Mahomes is in the pocket and the low hit protection is part of the passing QB protection.  Low hits in the pocket will get called.

 

Wilson is outside the pocket running - the rule for low hit protection is no longer offered as he is considered a “runner” and gets more running back protection - even though he stops and tries to throw the ball.

 

Consistency matters, but not more than the correct interpretation of the rules based on situations. 
 

Neither should of been a foul and neither were “Dirty” - the first hit certainly could have been delivered differently, but it should not have been a penalty.  
 

Wilson could have thrown the ball away sooner and used the sidelines and protected himself, but he did not.

 

The second hit where he got hurt - there was absolutely nothing there - Wilson landed on his knee and it “popped”.  
 

 

[Doc]

Yeah, once he leaves the pocket, he's considered a runner and doesn't get QB protection anymore.  And that was just bad luck with his leg getting caught up like that.

 

Man the Jets are snakebit.  Not that I thought Wilson was any good, but this surely doesn't help.

[BaaadThingsMan]

2 hours ago, syhuang said:

 

That first one was brutally dirty.

 

I'd be so pissed if that ####### twisted Allen up like that. 

[Warcodered]

Just now, BaaadThingsMan said:

That first one was brutally dirty.

 

I'd be so pissed if that ####### twisted Allen up like that. 

They did it was called a smart move by the commentator.

[BaaadThingsMan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

They did it was called a smart move by the commentator.

Right but Collinsworth is an idiot.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

That first one was brutally dirty.

 

I'd be so pissed if that ####### twisted Allen up like that. 

Im generally sympathetic to the defenders and how difficult their job is now, but if I ever saw a play where it looked to me like someone was trying to injure someone else…. That’s it. 

[Rochesterfan]

9 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im generally sympathetic to the defenders and how difficult their job is now, but if I ever saw a play where it looked to me like someone was trying to injure someone else…. That’s it. 

 

I just don’t see it.

 

Guy hits him in the hip just after he throws the ball.  Wilson has both feet in the air - so the hit drives him backwards.

 

When Wilson lands his leg buckles under him and they go to the ground.  Guy let’s go of his leg and Wilson ends up on top of him.

 

If he wanted to injure him - don’t let go of the leg.  If Guy had kept ahold of the leg and pinned it as they rolled - I would agree - he was trying to injure him, but he hit him and took him down and let go of the leg. 
 

A dirty play was the hit on Josh where the guy purposely rolled and twisted the leg.  The reason the hit by Guy looks so bad is Wilson throws the ball and then gets both legs off the turf, but that just caused his body to drive backwards and land awkwardly with the hit.

The player didn’t even take a step into Wilson after the throw - he is literally breaking down and hitting Wilson as he throws the ball away.

 

Plus that hit is his left leg and the injury was to the right leg - so the 2 are unrelated.

 

[Gugny]

I will always feel bad for any QB drafted by the Jets.  It's like a young baseball player being drafted by the Orioles.  Sad.