Our RBs Receiving totals

[JGMcD2]

We need a guy like Cordarelle Patterson.  He’d be perfect in this offense and he’s really the only guy in the league who has been used this way. 
 

He can run the football but can also split out wide and function like another WR - because he is a WR being used as a RB. He’s also an All-Pro return man. You get a ton of value out of him. 
 

If we’re just running to keep the other team honest… have your running back be another WR. 

[BigDingus]

20 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Moss:

 

Week 1: DNP

Week 2: 8

Week 3: 31

Week 4: 0

Week 5: 55

Week 6: 15

 

Motor:

 

Week 1: 8

Week 2: 9

Week 3: 0

Week 4: 7

Week 5: -2

Week 6: 16

 

 

Horrendous. 

 

I know, if Tyrod was still QB these guys would be both be the team leaders in receptions & yards!

Bench Josh, trade for Tyrod, and let's get the RBs their catches dammit!

[ehfeuh57]

It is somewhat alarming how little its used.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I don't understand why we don't give Bredia some reps on passing downs. Instead of making 3 rb's active we insist on having McKenzie and Kumerow active

(Who combined had 5 snaps vs the Titans!)

 

Kumerow had 19 snaps vs the Titans.  McKenzie had 13 snaps vs. the Titans.  If our defense could have stopped the Titans, they would have had more.

 

Just because you don't count ST snaps, doesn't mean they don't count or that our coaches don't consider them

 

18 hours ago, motorj said:

The rb's always look open to me when watching, josh just doesn't usually go to them which isn't that much of a problem according to the scores

 

It was a problem a couple of times vs. the Titans and has been a problem in a couple of other games where we didn't have good success sustaining a drive.

 

There were times vs. the Titans when Moss had so much freakin' green around him he could have planted a Christmas tree farm.

[Chicken Boo]

From a talent perspective, I'd put Miles right behind Diggs as the 3rd best weapon.  Singletary and Moss ain't that, BUT Sanders value is dependent on how Daboll would use him and Buffalo doesn't have the greatest screen game. 

 

I feel his talent wouldn't be fully utilized here.

[Nelius]

It's kind of interesting when you pull up the backs that have the most receiving yards in the league right now -  a lot of them are on teams that aren't good.

 

D'Andre Swift? Patterson? McKissic? Wonder if there's some correlation with poorly functioning offenses and the need for a constant check-down option...

 

It is all about the offense agreed, so I feel like we need to now compare TE stats next, or WR 2 and 3 stats, or average rushing yards per carry, for this complaint to hold any water.

Edited October 24, 2021 by Nelius

[Nelius]

10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

We need a guy like Cordarelle Patterson.  He’d be perfect in this offense and he’s really the only guy in the league who has been used this way. 
 

He can run the football but can also split out wide and function like another WR - because he is a WR being used as a RB. He’s also an All-Pro return man. You get a ton of value out of him. 

 

But in all fairness outside of his return skills, it either took Cordarelle himself and/or the entire league multiple years to figure out that he can contribute like he currently is on offense. The guy was an afterthought on the Pats for example and even that was years ago. He's kind of a unicorn, so I don't know if you can just go get a guy like that. Who's another solid return man that could potentially harness serious offensive skills 8 years into their career? I think our best shot at anything like that is probably McKenzie.

[DrPJax]

On 10/23/2021 at 4:31 AM, motorj said:

The rb's always look open to me when watching, josh just doesn't usually go to them which isn't that much of a problem according to the scores

It is when you’ve lost two games already to talent inferior teams. Was 31 points enough, or 20?  The problem is too many points are still being left on the field , and Most of that is on Josh. As Jonn Fina just said on his podcast w Joe miller , Josh is looking off many wide open shorter route receivers, and esp did that during the Titans game.  Yes his completion % was high at 77% or so , but there is no reason it could not have been 80% or more, and it cost us two fg in the red zone early. If we get tds there , 14-0 , makes it harder to keep using Henry.   It felt like Josh wanted to prove he was the qb to expose the backup cbs of the Titans deep , ( Finas assessment, who btw is excellent to understand our line play and game plans in general) , rather than go to frequently open receivers like the backs.  The next ti the last drive while leading and a chance to go up 2 scores was an example of hero Josh mindset rearing it’s head and he should be past that in his 4 th year now. He is capable of better , like against the WFT, and he has been great against weak teams with big margins fir error ( KC was a good game against a horrible defense )   Just need him to take the open backs when there during playoff time and not contribute to losing any more winnable games that will put us on the road for the playoffs

 

Josh is an amazing talent, he just needs to remember it’s not all about going deep, it’s about efficiency and scoring and getting the backs involved adds another red zone threat. Will admit tho , I don’t trust motor very much in the passing game yet. I also think Daboll need to simplify all the packages in the red zone. No consistent identity and it seems no one is getting consistent reps to become proficient yet. Check out Finas podcast, it’s new, well done. Off tackle with John Fina I think! His rookie year was super bowl 27 in Pasadena. He was only called for 7 holding penalties in 9 years with the Bills, something amazing and proves how good technique is lacking on our current line! It’s a stat he is very proud of ! 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

On 10/23/2021 at 12:10 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

It's not on 17, as far as the RB targets are concerned, it's on your memory of the 2 games lol. What if I told you Josh threw more passes to the RBs in the Titans game than the KC game. Moss had 4 targets in both games while Singletary had 2 in the KC game and 5 in the Titans game. It's not that Moss had more targets against KC, it's that the plays had a bigger impact & were more successful. 

 

I think the success of throwing deep in the KC game might have got into Josh's head a bit, but then again against that Titans secondary it might have been the gameplan to attack them deep.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326408

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326422

 

On point assessment 👌 Nice job

[Mr. WEO]

Only chumps dump it off to RBs.  Go downfield...

[Hebert19]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:38 PM, Big Blitz said:

Moss:

 

Week 1: DNP

Week 2: 8

Week 3: 31

Week 4: 0

Week 5: 55

Week 6: 15

 

Motor:

 

Week 1: 8

Week 2: 9

Week 3: 0

Week 4: 7

Week 5: -2

Week 6: 16

 

 

Horrendous.  And I don't think it's just bc Josh is wired to take shots downfield.  Settling for the 2 FGs in the first quarter against the Titans this just seemed so glaring an issue.   

 

We all see what the defenses are doing.  2 deep.....rush only 4 or 3.  Make us dink and dunk.  

 

This becomes much easier if we have an outlet that's a bit more of a threat out of the backfield.  Of course a running game will also address that.  Especially in the green zone.  

 

I like Motor and Moss.  But I also want to win the SB.  If we can't utilize RBs in the run game and passing game we aren't helping ourselves - run game been ok...dual threat not remotely.  Of all the issues to address (there aren't many) this could be the most fixable.  The Patriots had White.  The Bucs have Fournette.  The Chargers Eckeler.  The Browns have Hunt.  You want this dimension of your offense to be legit.  Ours isn't.  I want the O to have this check down threat for Josh.  It isn't good enough.  

 

 

In short, go get Miles Sanders.

I love moss as a receiver.  Need to use him more. 

[Don Otreply]

On 10/23/2021 at 1:31 AM, motorj said:

The rb's always look open to me when watching, josh just doesn't usually go to them which isn't that much of a problem according to the scores

It’s not a problem per say, as you pointed out, but mixing it up is a good thing, as to keeping the Defenses guessing, that and Josh by and large throws one of the ugliest screen passes in the league, if we are being honest about it, he’s not very good at it, timing and ball placement wise, that -2 yard screen pass to Singletary was particularly ugly, and is why Motor was tackled for a loss on that play, just more refinement in Josh’s game that could stand to be worked on. I am certain Josh is painfully aware of this short coming in his game. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[LABILLBACKER]

Singletary has terrible hands and his career receiving stats reflect that. Moss is at least serviceable. Neither RB amazes but neither does our pathetic run blocking. For the Bills to be truly a SB contender they must fix this issue eventually?.....Ya think

10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s not a problem per say, as you pointed out, but mixing it up is a good thing, as to keeping the Defenses guessing, that and Josh by and large throws one of the ugliest screen passes in the league, if we are being honest about it, he’s not very good at it, timing and ball placement wise, that -2 yard screen pass to Singletary was particularly ugly, and is why Motor was tackled for a loss on that play, just more refinement in Josh’s game that could stand to be worked on. I am certain Josh is painfully aware of this short coming in his game. 

 

Go Bills!!!

Couldn't agree more....it looks like a damn shot put...what is he doing?

[DCofNC]

On 10/24/2021 at 6:02 AM, DrPJax said:

It is when you’ve lost two games already to talent inferior teams. Was 31 points enough, or 20?  The problem is too many points are still being left on the field , and Most of that is on Josh. As Jonn Fina just said on his podcast w Joe miller , Josh is looking off many wide open shorter route receivers, and esp did that during the Titans game.  Yes his completion % was high at 77% or so , but there is no reason it could not have been 80% or more, and it cost us two fg in the red zone early. If we get tds there , 14-0 , makes it harder to keep using Henry.   It felt like Josh wanted to prove he was the qb to expose the backup cbs of the Titans deep , ( Finas assessment, who btw is excellent to understand our line play and game plans in general) , rather than go to frequently open receivers like the backs.  The next ti the last drive while leading and a chance to go up 2 scores was an example of hero Josh mindset rearing it’s head and he should be past that in his 4 th year now. He is capable of better , like against the WFT, and he has been great against weak teams with big margins fir error ( KC was a good game against a horrible defense )   Just need him to take the open backs when there during playoff time and not contribute to losing any more winnable games that will put us on the road for the playoffs

 

Josh is an amazing talent, he just needs to remember it’s not all about going deep, it’s about efficiency and scoring and getting the backs involved adds another red zone threat. Will admit tho , I don’t trust motor very much in the passing game yet. I also think Daboll need to simplify all the packages in the red zone. No consistent identity and it seems no one is getting consistent reps to become proficient yet. Check out Finas podcast, it’s new, well done. Off tackle with John Fina I think! His rookie year was super bowl 27 in Pasadena. He was only called for 7 holding penalties in 9 years with the Bills, something amazing and proves how good technique is lacking on our current line! It’s a stat he is very proud of ! 

You are going to get lit up for saying Josh isn’t playing the best he can, but you are exactly right.

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, DCofNC said:

You are going to get lit up for saying Josh isn’t playing the best he can, but you are exactly right.

 

 

nope.  

 

Has anyone here said Allen is playing the best he can?

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

nope.  

 

Has anyone here said Allen is playing the best he can?

Yeah would I'dlike to think he always plays the best he can and gives all he's got on the field. Just because everything doesn't go as planned and/or a mistake or miscommunication etc doesn't mean he's not doing the best he can. lol

[In Summary]

The problem is that this not passing to RBs makes Buffalo predictable. RBs won't be running around anyone to the outside coupled with not being significant receiver threats. A few more effective passes per game to the RBs could loosen the deeper downfield coverages. This is a good week for the Bills to experiment and develop this part of their offense but I think Daboll/Allen will try and set passing records instead.