Question on "eye in the sky"

[TC in St. Louis]

I understand that the "eye in the sky" was used to overturn Josh's run at the end of the game....it was within 2 minutes.

 

But what about earlier, on that pass that bounced off our guy's helmet and was initially called incomplete....out of bounds?  The eye in the sky overturned the call and gave him the catch.  Isn't that supposed to be a coach's challenge?  When the refs make a call and the coach disagrees, he's supposed to throw the red flag, and they take a look at it, and if need be, the call is overturned.

 

In this case, the call was out of bounds, and the eye in the sky phoned down and fixed it.

 

WTF?  That's my question.  

[LABILLBACKER]

I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs PI in the endzone was marked on the 5? The refs were all over the map in this game. 3 different guys held on Henry's td run yet let's call back that 100 yard kickoff. 

[Einstein]

This has been happening all year long, across the entire NFL. New York is communicating with the on-field referee crew in live-time to fix obvious mistakes and reduce the need for coaches challenges.

 

This is made possible by a new rule that was approved during the 2021 offseason. This rule allows the replay official to change (in live-time), the spot of the ball, complete/incomplete/int passes, line to gain, etc.

 

The NFL replay official has until 20 seconds on the next plays play-clock to change something. That’s why coaches should *not* throw a challenge flag until there is LESS than 20 seconds on the play clock. Otherwise they could be wasting a challenge.

 

I also have no idea why Diggs PI was placed at the 5 yard line.

 

 

 

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Edited October 23, 2021 by Einstein

[Watkins101]

24 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This has been happening all year long, across the entire NFL. New York is communicating with the on-field referee crew in live-time to fix obvious mistakes and reduce the need for coaches challenges.

 

This is made possible by a new rule that was approved during the 2021 offseason. This rule allows the replay official to change (in live-time), the spot of the ball, complete/incomplete/int passes, line to gain, etc.

 

The NFL replay official has until 20 seconds on the next plays play-clock to change something. That’s why coaches should *not* throw a challenge flag until there is LESS than 20 seconds on the play clock. Otherwise they could be wasting a challenge.

 

I also have no idea why Diggs PI was placed at the 5 yard line.

 

 

 

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Waiting for less than 20 seconds on the playclock is not always the right call however. On Defense, If it’s a potentially overturnable call, then the offense will often go into hurry up mode to get the play off, so you may not reach 20 seconds on the play clock. On offense it’s certainly the right call, unless you are running out of game clock time.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs PI in the endzone was marked on the 5? The refs were all over the map in this game. 3 different guys held on Henry's td run yet let's call back that 100 yard kickoff. 

That's where they said the PI was initiated as both of them were running towards the EZ. The play ended in the EZ, but it's not where first contact was being made. That's how I remember understanding it at the time.

[Utah John]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs PI in the endzone was marked on the 5? The refs were all over the map in this game. 3 different guys held on Henry's td run yet let's call back that 100 yard kickoff. 

Henry doesn't get more than a few yards on that long run if the Bills defenders weren't held.

 

McKenzie makes the exact same play if Smith doesn't hold his guy on the kickoff return.

[Buffalo Boy]

    The general tenor of the broadcast was ridiculously Pro Titans, Pro Henry.

    I know the topic been beaten into the ground on here but it just seemed to be slightly preordained from the word go: Call Bills tightly, call Titans loosely in regards to holding and PI and then do” Makeup calls”.

    If the hands are outside the arms on safeties and tackles blatantly and they aren’t called …… WTF?

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs PI in the endzone was marked on the 5? The refs were all over the map in this game. 3 different guys held on Henry's td run yet let's call back that 100 yard kickoff. 

i thought the same re the Diggs PI, but went back and re-watched it, and they got it right. I was more confused with the Gabe Davis one— he seemed to be clearly in the end zone when the defender grabbed him. That could have Made a huge difference. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs PI in the endzone was marked on the 5? The refs were all over the map in this game. 3 different guys held on Henry's td run yet let's call back that 100 yard kickoff. 

 

Rachel Bush agrees with you on the disparity in holding calls:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/jordan-poyers-wife-rachel-bush-slams-refs-after-bills-loss/

 

Well, I agree with you too.

 

I think the Diggs PI was marked correctly.  Spot of the foul. 

 

But it was a bit hard having 2 TDs called back due to holding when it seemed as though major holds were missed on Henry's run.  I felt they were obvious enough even the announcers were surprised...they hesitated then commented "No Flags"

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Rachel Bush agrees with you on the disparity in holding calls:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/jordan-poyers-wife-rachel-bush-slams-refs-after-bills-loss/

 

Well, I agree with you too.

 

I think the Diggs PI was marked correctly.  Spot of the foul. 

 

But it was a bit hard having 2 TDs called back due to holding when it seemed as though major holds were missed on Henry's run.  I felt they were obvious enough even the announcers were surprised...they hesitated then commented "No Flags"

 

I’m not so certain that the Diggs spot was correct.

 

While the defender did indeed make first made contact with Diggs at the 5 yard line, the ball was no where near Diggs at this time. Because the ball was no where within Diggs reasonable catch radius, the call would have had to be illegal contact if they believe the foul occurred at the 5 yard line. This is where the “not catchable” rule comes into play for PI.

 

For pass interference to be eligible, the defender must hinder the receivers ability to physically catch the pass (section 5, article 1). The defender physically hindered Diggs ability to catch pass in the endzone, and therefore if PI is to be called, the ball should be placed at the 1.

 

There is no spot penalty for illegal contact - it’s only 5 yards and a first down.

[NewEra]

I love the eye in the sky.  This should’ve been done years ago and they should continue to find ways to continue to improve on how it is used.
 
Problem is, there are still so many terrible calls and non calls.  The hold on Tre on Henry’s was as obvious as ever to anyone watching the game.  Obvious penalties that aren’t called should also be subject to the sky judge

 

Bottom line:  GET THE CALLS  CORRECT.

however they decide to go about it is fine by me.

 

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, NewEra said:

I love the eye in the sky.  This should’ve been done years ago and they should continue to find ways to continue to improve on how it is used.
 
Problem is, there are still so many terrible calls and non calls.  The hold on Tre on Henry’s was as obvious as ever to anyone watching the game.  Obvious penalties that aren’t called should also be subject to the sky judge

 

Bottom line:  GET THE CALLS  CORRECT.

however they decide to go about it is fine by me.

 

 

I agree with this, though there is the semi-plausible argument that lots of holds go uncalled all the time. So what is the criteria, especially eggregious? It doesn't seem to be uniformly applied, as your example on the Henry TD points out. Bills had 14 points erased by penalty, Titans had 7 awarded by lack of a call. 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I agree with this, though there is the semi-plausible argument that lots of holds go uncalled all the time. So what is the criteria, especially eggregious? It doesn't seem to be uniformly applied, as your example on the Henry TD points out. Bills had 14 points erased by penalty, Titans had 7 awarded by lack of a call. 

It’s a seriously slippery slope, there’s no doubt.  I don’t get paid to make the rules, so I’ll leave it up to the people that get paid to draw up the correct verbiage.
 

The hold on white was so egregious and happened on a huge TD run.  The refs sometimes throw game changing flags when there aren’t actually any infractions.  When there are definite obvious penalties on game changing plays, something should be done.  I’m not a fan of coaches not having the ability to challenge obvious infractions. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Refs wanted us to lose???

 

🤡

 

[Doc]

The refs were terrible.  The eye in the sky was no better.

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

This has been happening all year long, across the entire NFL. New York is communicating with the on-field referee crew in live-time to fix obvious mistakes and reduce the need for coaches challenges.

 

This is made possible by a new rule that was approved during the 2021 offseason. This rule allows the replay official to change (in live-time), the spot of the ball, complete/incomplete/int passes, line to gain, etc.

 

The NFL replay official has until 20 seconds on the next plays play-clock to change something. That’s why coaches should *not* throw a challenge flag until there is LESS than 20 seconds on the play clock. Otherwise they could be wasting a challenge.

 

I also have no idea why Diggs PI was placed at the 5 yard line.

 

 

 

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I actually like this as long as they get the call right and don't rush it just to get it in.

 

The initial contact started at the 5 from what I have heard. I didn't see the replay but if that is a correct statement then the ball was spotted correctly.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

The refs were terrible.  The eye in the sky was no better.

Just wondering why you say the eye in the sky was terrible?  If they changed an incorrect call into a correct call, isn’t that what it’s there for?  The only changed call I’m aware of was the placement on josh’s scramble at the end of the game.  Were there other calls that the eye got wrong?

 

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I actually like this as long as they get the call right and don't rush it just to get it in.

 

The initial contact started at the 5 from what I have heard. I didn't see the replay but if that is a correct statement then the ball was spotted correctly.

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/235319-question-on-eye-in-the-sky/?do=findComment&comment=7365609

 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Just wondering why you say the eye in the sky was terrible?  If they changed an incorrect call into a correct call, isn’t that what it’s there for?  The only changed call I’m aware of was the placement on josh’s scramble at the end of the game.  Were there other calls that the eye got wrong?

 

Where the PI was placed.  There were a few others.  But true, the holds wouldn't have been called by it.

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m not so certain that the Diggs spot was correct.

 

While the defender did indeed make first made contact with Diggs at the 5 yard line, the ball was no where near Diggs at this time. Because the ball was no where within Diggs reasonable catch radius, the call would have had to be illegal contact if they believe the foul occurred at the 5 yard line. This is where the “not catchable” rule comes into play for PI.

 

For pass interference to be eligible, the defender must hinder the receivers ability to physically catch the pass (section 5, article 1). The defender physically hindered Diggs ability to catch pass in the endzone, and therefore if PI is to be called, the ball should be placed at the 1.

 

There is no spot penalty for illegal contact - it’s only 5 yards and a first down.

 

Ball was in the air when contact was made, so that's where the penalty goes for PI.  Illegal contact is for when the ball is still in the QB's hands.  The call and placement was correct by rule.