OldNMBillsFan Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) We did not have a time out left. Quote
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, OldNMBillsFan said: We did not have a time out left. Hm, thought we did. Regardless, there was like 16 seconds left. It was not 4th down, we could have spiked it with a few seconds left Quote
Bob in STL Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Hm, thought we did. Regardless, there was like 16 seconds left. It was not 4th down, we could have spiked it with a few seconds left Does not really matter. We kicked off and they had time for the play. The mid range kick was not a great idea either. Kick it deep or squib kick it. 20/20 hindsight helps a lot. Quote
BearNorth Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 17 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) We did not have a time out left. Johnson had called a TO at 12:45 of the 4th, Holecek had called one on the field at 2:05, and we took one to ice DelGreco at 1:53 before his FG. I was at the game. Bills were pretty banged up and did not have all of their usual KO return special teamers available. Quote
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Butch Coolidge. * Oh, 'Wiley', not 'Wallace'. Sorry. What does Marcellus look like? 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Does not really matter. We kicked off and they had time for the play. The mid range kick was not a great idea either. Kick it deep or squib kick it. 20/20 hindsight helps a lot. Apparently Christie was overruled by DeHaven. Christie wanted to kick it out of the end zone. However, as I recall we had a lot of defensive injuries late in the game. Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, BearNorth said: I was at the game. Bills were pretty banged up and did not have all of their usual KO return special teamers available. Herm gets it. Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 I still remember his locker room interview after the game. The phrase "I went to Columbia, dawg" sticks in my mind for some reason. Quote
Arkady Renko Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Apparently Christie was overruled by DeHaven. Christie wanted to kick it out of the end zone. However, as I recall we had a lot of defensive injuries late in the game. That's surprising. I recall Christie rarely getting touchbacks anymore. Keep in mind that the kickoff was from the 30 then. Quote
Bills fan since 87 Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Does not really matter. We kicked off and they had time for the play. The mid range kick was not a great idea either. Kick it deep or squib kick it. 20/20 hindsight helps a lot. If we had kicked the FG at the gun there never would have been a kickoff 1 hour ago, BearNorth said: We did not have a time out left. Johnson had called a TO at 12:45 of the 4th, Holecek had called one on the field at 2:05, and we took one to ice DelGreco at 1:53 before his FG. I was at the game. Bills were pretty banged up and did not have all of their usual KO return special teamers available. Ouch...you were there? Anyway, could we have not run the clock down and spiked it? Pretty sure it was not 4th down Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I am no expert, but a wholesale breakdown in lane discipline suggests a coaching failure of Some kind. By the way, I never understood why teams in those types of situations don’t just kick the ball out of bounds. Back then, I think the penalty too was ball at the 35— so you had to go a bit more to even get into Hail Mary range. I'd guess the reason for not kicking out of bounds is statistically more teams can score by throwing a long TD pass than returning the KO for a TD. Besides this game I don't think I've ever seen a TD made on KO return involving laterals. Also don't recall but wasn't it a squib kick? That forced Tenn to field the ball and started the clock. So kicking off and making them field it took most time off clock too. 19 hours ago, folz said: Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere. I had no problem with Johnson playing that game. The first year Flutie was here, he played great and helped them win many games. The second season they were still winning, but was more because of defense, seemed teams had figured him out by then, were making him pass to outside and he didn't have the arm for that and were better containing the running. Having said all that, do seem to recall he was a big Flutie fan so wouldn't be surprised if his comment was directed at Johnson. Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: I still remember his locker room interview after the game. The phrase "I went to Columbia, dawg" sticks in my mind for some reason. Meh. Well it sure ain't HAR-vard...😁 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: If we had kicked the FG at the gun there never would have been a kickoff Ouch...you were there? Anyway, could we have not run the clock down and spiked it? Pretty sure it was not 4th down Yes that was a point of controversy. We had a 1st & 10 at the Titan 23. 20 seconds left when we kicked the FG, :16 when it went through the uprights. DeHaven wanted to run a couple of sideline outs, then kick the FG, but Wade with no timeouts overruled him. Yes, should have run the clock to :03 and kicked the FG. I was working in Nashville at the time, and one of our vendors asked me if I wanted tickets, as he was not going to be able to use them. 1 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 21 hours ago, NewEra said: Tim Donaghy Nice, with the deep reference. 1 1 Quote
John from Riverside Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 Just to show how spoiled we are today as bills fans.......we just went through a week where we scores on ALMOST every time we had the ball......and there are actually blaming a driving in the 3rd quarter or whatever on the loss. Completely disregarding the fact that our defense LITERALLY could not get a stop the entire second half Quote
machine gun kelly Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 3:55 PM, folz said: Maybe he was in the Flutie camp and so is referring to Rob Johnson (but if memory serves, Rob played fairly well in the game and we had a chance to win---though I thought and wanted Flutie to start that game too). Otherwise, I doubt he would be singling out, say, one special teamer...saying it was their fault (on that particular play). It seemed the whole ST blew that play...but I guess there could have been one ST player who was meant to play (final) contain and left his post. Other options: He could put that game on the refs for not calling it a forward pass...but the mental health part of that question wouldn't really make sense then. The refs in that game were worried about their physical health (not their mental health) if they had disallowed the TD in a hostile Tenn atmosphere. He threw for 160 yards (RJ). He sucked, and Flutie brought them all of those wins to get to the wildcard game. Wade was eventually going to get fired. He shouldve said screw you Ralph and played Flutie. If they won and made it closer to the SB, he would've been forgiven. We were better than the Titans. We could've made it to the Rams, and that would've been fun. The #1 punishing defense against the Greatest Show on Turf. Big Old Teddie would've sat on Marshall Faulk and stopped him. 1 1 Quote
Charles Romes Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 3:53 PM, Bills fan since 87 said: Wade for not running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds before the FG (we had a time out left) This game created the strategy of running the clock down to 2 or 3 seconds. Before this game, the common wisdom was to preserve downs and time in the event of a bad snap. Quote
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