ProcessTruster Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Lets see how the year plays out and go from there. Quote
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 A top-10 pick and we're probably not going to pick up his option? That definitely sounds like a bust to me. 1 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 I am not convinced theyll pick uo his 5th year option. Hes a fine rotational piece but nowhere near the player to justify the money his option will cost. 1 Quote
Mr. K Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 If he flashes on another team we've got another Wyatt Teller... hey, its the bye week Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) On 10/20/2021 at 11:32 AM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: A top-10 pick and we're probably not going to pick up his option? That definitely sounds like a bust to me. Expand I don't think a guy who has been a starter basically since week 4 of his rookie year can be a bust. Cody Ford who struggled to win a starting job then has lost two of them (first RT then RG) is a bust. Ed hasn't lived up to his draft stock, sure. But he has been a good player for the Bills and has started for 3 seasons (and will start for a 4th even if we don't pick up the option). On 10/20/2021 at 11:52 AM, Mr. K said: If he flashes on another team we've got another Wyatt Teller... hey, its the bye week Expand If the Bills decide to let Ed walk after next year I think it is very likely he eventually has a great year somewhere else. I still feel like he is so close to putting it all together. The Bills can't wait forever, that is a fact, but wouldn't shock me if he ends up having an all-pro type season in another uniform. Edited October 20, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Quote
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Seems like one of those guys who may turn it on when it's time to earn a new contract. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 7:18 AM, GunnerBill said: I think it is very touch and go. He is inconsistent still even within games. We saw it again on Monday night. He blew up a third down play early on and forced a throw away and then there was a series second half where he made plays but I don't see the consistency that you'd like. He is super talented. I still feel like at some point it will click and he will have a monster year somewhere. Expand I feel like he's the type of player that is hurt by being a rotational guy. Ed plays with a ton of emotion. A lot of his splash plays are at the start of a game or start of a half. Rotating through may just be hard for him to keep in the flow of the game and keep his high level intensity rolling. Quote
BananaB Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) He’s not living up to the hype but Bills DLine rotates so much you gotta think about if it stalls some of the development of young guys. We got two second round picks that inactive a lot. Seems like our whole line shows flashes. No one is great upfront just a lot of solid guys. Edited October 20, 2021 by BananaB Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 12:09 PM, No Place To Hyde said: I feel like he's the type of player that is hurt by being a rotational guy. Ed plays with a ton of emotion. A lot of his splash plays are at the start of a game or start of a half. Rotating through may just be hard for him to keep in the flow of the game and keep his high level intensity rolling. Expand It is a fair point. Just compare Jeffrey Simmons to Ed Oliver for a second. Simmons played 75% of the Titans defensive snaps in 2020 (and is running at 86% so far this year). Ed played 54% of the Bills defensive snaps in 2020 and is running this year slightly up at 58%. Production wise in 2020 they had the same number of sacks and Simmons had 5 more pressures. The rotation is definitely what the Bills believe in but there is a question mark around whether they are really letting their guys settle with a consistent front 4 that learns and knows how to play off one another. 1 Quote
No_Matter_What Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 11:53 AM, GunnerBill said: If the Bills decide to let Ed walk after next year I think it is very likely he eventually has a great year somewhere else. I still feel like he is so close to putting it all together. The Bills can't wait forever, that is a fact, but wouldn't shock me if he ends up having an all-pro type season in another uniform. Expand Like this? 1 Quote
Mr. K Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 11:53 AM, GunnerBill said: I don't think a guy who has been a starter basically since week 4 of his rookie year can be a bust. Cody Ford who struggled to win a starting job then has lost two of them (first RT then RG) is a bust. Ed hasn't lived up to his draft stock, sure. But he has been a good player for the Bills and has started for 3 seasons (and will start for a 4th even if we don't pick up the option). If the Bills decide to let Ed walk after next year I think it is very likely he eventually has a great year somewhere else. I still feel like he is so close to putting it all together. The Bills can't wait forever, that is a fact, but wouldn't shock me if he ends up having an all-pro type season in another uniform. Expand It wouldn't shock me either. He seems to have everything in the tool box. He just can't seem get it all together at once. I like Ed, would love to see him blossom in the remaining games, and wish him the best in his career. However I dont know that he gets a second deal from the Bills. He is good but I don't think moving on from him after his deal hurts the McProcess. We will see how Boogie plays.... Quote
dave mcbride Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 2:21 AM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Yea, draft star DTs from Alabama. Like Marcell Dareus Expand Marcel Dareus was actually arguably the best DT in the NFL for a little while. His downturn had nothing to do with talent. 2 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 12:49 PM, Mr. K said: It wouldn't shock me either. He seems to have everything in the tool box. He just can't seem get it all together at once. I like Ed, would love to see him blossom in the remaining games, and wish him the best in his career. However I dont know that he gets a second deal from the Bills. He is good but I don't think moving on from him after his deal hurts the McProcess. We will see how Boogie plays.... Expand I think his 5th year option is very much touch and go as I said above. I doubt Beane has made his mind up either way right now. Ed has 11 games and playoffs left to make his case. 1 Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 The problem with the 5th year option is it basically tethers a guy’s 1st round draft status to him for his whole career. The 5th year option number becomes the starting point for an extension and if a team declines the option, very rarely does a player re-sign with the team. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 1:06 PM, BuffaloRebound said: The problem with the 5th year option is it basically tethers a guy’s 1st round draft status to him for his whole career. The 5th year option number becomes the starting point for an extension and if a team declines the option, very rarely does a player re-sign with the team. Expand This is absolutely right. It is a tough spot when you have a 1st rounder you like but don't love. Quote
LabattBlue Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 12:38 PM, GunnerBill said: It is a fair point. Just compare Jeffrey Simmons to Ed Oliver for a second. Simmons played 75% of the Titans defensive snaps in 2020 (and is running at 86% so far this year). Ed played 54% of the Bills defensive snaps in 2020 and is running this year slightly up at 58%. Production wise in 2020 they had the same number of sacks and Simmons had 5 more pressures. The rotation is definitely what the Bills believe in but there is a question mark around whether they are really letting their guys settle with a consistent front 4 that learns and knows how to play off one another. Expand I think the best 4 should be getting more snaps. No problem with a lesser rotation. Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 In terms of where he was drafted, the production just isn't there. Good player, but a top ten pick leans great. I expect them to move on from him after his rookie deal. Quote
SCBills Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Anyone think Ed Oliver could be a surprise trade candidate before the deadline? If he can bring back a quality IOL or CB, I'd think we have to entertain it, no? 1 Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 3:01 PM, SCBills said: Anyone think Ed Oliver could be a surprise trade candidate before the deadline? If he can bring back a quality IOL or CB, I'd think we have to entertain it, no? Expand That would be interesting. It’s also how the Pats operated during their dynasty. Get something back for a guy you’re not gonna re-sign. 2 Quote
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