Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Josh is playing fine. I think he’s one of the best QBs in the league. But if they voted for MVP today, he wouldn’t finish in the top three. Not saying that’s right, it just is what it is.

 

Who would be in the top 3?

[BigDingus]

20 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Yet another game where Josh leads his team in rushing AND scores a rushing TD AND throws 2 TDs AND has no turnovers AND picks up crucial 1st downs with his feet.

 

There is no other QB in the league who is asked to do as much as Josh is every week.

 

That's the definition of an MVP.

 

You have to look at what other players are doing & not focus in on just Josh. In a bubble, and compared to past Bills QB's, he looks fantastic. But when numbers are so inflated across the league, and damn near half the QB's pass for 300+ yards a game any given Sunday, it's a lot harder to breakout as a front-runner.

 

Here's some others at the moment:

 

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Then for rushing, we've got the obvious:

 

6. Derrick Henry - 869 rushing yards/ 4.6 avg. / 11 total TD's / 124.1 ypg / 154 receiving yards/ 1 total TO (through only 7 games...)

 

Just for the hell of it, let's look at receiver too: 

 

7. Cooper Kupp - 924 receiving yards/ 63 receptions / 14.7 avg. / 10 total TD's / 115.5 ypg / 0 total TO's (that's more than double our top WR)

 

So, yeah, Josh is in the conversation for sure, but he's not the front runner in any category. He's keeping pace in terms of total TD's, and as much as people want to slobber over Lamar Jackson, Josh looks leaps & bounds better (Lamar has 1,943 passing yards & 480 rushing yards, but has only 12 TD's to 7 INT's & is 17th in passer RTG/ 11th in QBR, both well below Josh). 

 

But we all know MVP conversation leans towards wins as well. That's where Josh could have an advantage if the others falter. Brady & Stafford's numbers are going to be huge, but the Bucs just loss to the Saints, and the Rams still have the Titans, Cardinals, Packers & Ravens on their schedule. If Josh can just keep pace, the end of the season matchup against Brady & the Bucs might be the last push he needs. 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

Honestly as of right now he Henry and Brady are only choices.  Pass on the Stafford or Murray discussion. 

 

Why is Brady one of the only 2 choices and not Allen? Brady has played 1 more game than Allen and yes he has 6 more TDs but also a few more Turnovers. And in terms of Yards per game they're about even when you include rushing yards.

 

And both teams have 2 losses.

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Meanwhile Brady just throws his 4th TD...

 

And the game losing pick six 

[BruceVilanch]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Why is Brady one of the only 2 choices and not Allen? Brady has played 1 more game than Allen and yes he has 6 more TDs but also a few more Turnovers. And in terms of Yards per game they're about even when you include rushing yards.

 

And both teams have 2 losses.

 

And the game losing pick six 

He included Allen, he said "He (meaning Allen) Henry and Brady. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Meanwhile Brady just throws his 4th TD...

I guess that means Allen isn’t anywhere near an MVP candidate.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

He's not in the top 3 atm...

If he wore a different uniform he would be for you.

[Process]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Uhm, no:

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Allen has the same amount of TDs and 3 less TOs than Murray in one less game

He has 100 more passing yard, a lot more rushing yards, 1 more TD than Rodgers in one less game

 

I don't even know why I am responding. You have to be trolling because you cant be that clueless. 

[cisco2403]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Uhm, no:

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Allen is not throwing enough TD's in the top 3.

Assuming this is your order, you can make the argument for Murray, Stafford and Brady to be ahead of Allen but why would Rodgers be ahead of him?

 

Lets not also forget that Josh has sat out for 2 4th quarters because of the blowouts.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Uhm, no:

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Allen is not throwing enough TD's in the top 3.

 

Vegas or Gene?  Vegas or Gene?  How much money did you bet on the Dolphins winning the East last year after you guaranteed they would?

 

https://www.nj.com/betting/nfl/nfl-mvp-odds.html

 

https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/mvp-odds

 

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/mvp-odds/

 

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/

 

 

 

[Process]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

You are responding because of homerism. Allen is NOT in the top 3 atm. He certainly can be but will require more yds/att and more passing TD's. Rodgers beat Allen last year on passing TD's.

lol WOW

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

You are responding because of homerism. Allen is NOT in the top 3 atm. He certainly can be but will require more yds/att and more passing TD's. Rodgers beat Allen last year on passing TD's.

You realize Allen has more passing TDs per game than two guys on your list?? LOL

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

lol WOW

You realize Allen has more passing TDs per game than two guys on your list?? LOL

 

I once asked him to say one thing nice about the Bills.  He never responded...he just can't do it.

[Mr. K]

If games keep coming down to JA putting it away via td run he will be right in the convo. Our team is too good to give it to 1 guy every week. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I still think for a QB, passing TD's are weighted higher.

 

Did you know the number 8 is bigger than the number 7?

Well, Murray and Rodgers, who you have above Allen have played 8 games while Allen has played 7.

Allen has 17 passing TD's the same as Rodgers and Murray with one less game.  Allen has 20 total TD's...same as Murray.  Rodgers has 19 totals TD's.  Did you know 20 is bigger than 19?

 

Can you tell me, who is averaging more passing and total TD's per game?  

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Uhm, no:

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Allen is not throwing enough TD's in the top 3.

 

You realize Josh has played 1 fewer game than all those guys except Brady, who you'll also need to charge with 3 more TO's, which you conveniently failed to mention.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Doc

[JGMcD2]

34 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

The passing TD comment doesn't so much matter until the end of the season. Also total TD's simply is not the same at passing TD's. Rodgers killed Allen in the voting primarily due to the 45 PASSING TD's.

If it doesn’t matter until the end of the season, why were you the one to bring up passing TDs now…? 

[Royale with Cheese]

44 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

That's not my list... However, I'd still not put Allen in top 3 atm. The passing TD comment doesn't so much matter until the end of the season. Also total TD's simply is not the same at passing TD's. Rodgers killed Allen in the voting primarily due to the 45 PASSING TD's.

 

Allen has a lot of work to do to catch Brady's passing TD number.

 

For me, Brady and Stafford are 1 & 2. I think both Rodgers and Murray are having a slightly better season than Allen so far. Allen should be able to pad his stats the next few weeks and possibly get into #3.

 

He's got a lot of work huh?  He's 4 behind him lol.

Tom Brady has 303 pass attempts.  Josh Allen has 230 pass attempts.  We've blown teams out and Allen hasn't had to throw the ball or play in the 4th.

Allen throws a TD pass every 13.5 pass attempts.  Brady at 14.4.  At that rate....Brady will destroy Allen in passing TD's!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

You have to look at what other players are doing & not focus in on just Josh. In a bubble, and compared to past Bills QB's, he looks fantastic. But when numbers are so inflated across the league, and damn near half the QB's pass for 300+ yards a game any given Sunday, it's a lot harder to breakout as a front-runner.

 

Here's some others at the moment:

 

1. Kyler Murray - 2,276 passing yards / 72.7% comp% / 20 total TD's / 7 total TO's / 285 ypg / 110.4 RTG

2. Tom Brady -  2,275 passing yards / 67.0% comp % / 22 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 325 ypg /  108.2 RTG (today's game not included yet, so add another 300+ & 4 TD's)

3. Matt Stafford - 2,477 passing yards / 68.9% comp%/ 22 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 310 ypg / 116.7 RTG

4. Aaron Rodgers - 1,894 passing yards / 67.1% comp%/ 19 total TD's / 3 total TO's / 237 ypg / 105.7 RTG

5. Josh Allen - 1,972 passing yards / 65.4% comp% / 20 total TD's / 4 total TO's / 287 ypg / 103.6 RTG

 

Then for rushing, we've got the obvious:

 

6. Derrick Henry - 869 rushing yards/ 4.6 avg. / 11 total TD's / 124.1 ypg / 154 receiving yards/ 1 total TO (through only 7 games...)

 

Just for the hell of it, let's look at receiver too: 

 

7. Cooper Kupp - 924 receiving yards/ 63 receptions / 14.7 avg. / 10 total TD's / 115.5 ypg / 0 total TO's (that's more than double our top WR)

 

So, yeah, Josh is in the conversation for sure, but he's not the front runner in any category. He's keeping pace in terms of total TD's, and as much as people want to slobber over Lamar Jackson, Josh looks leaps & bounds better (Lamar has 1,943 passing yards & 480 rushing yards, but has only 12 TD's to 7 INT's & is 17th in passer RTG/ 11th in QBR, both well below Josh). 

 

But we all know MVP conversation leans towards wins as well. That's where Josh could have an advantage if the others falter. Brady & Stafford's numbers are going to be huge, but the Bucs just loss to the Saints, and the Rams still have the Titans, Cardinals, Packers & Ravens on their schedule. If Josh can just keep pace, the end of the season matchup against Brady & the Bucs might be the last push he needs. 

 

Raw stats is not how  the award is supposed to work in theory…plus I’m sure this has been mentioned to death but we have played one less game than a lot of those teams…if josh gets 3 tds in that game we are behind he is pretty close to top of that list 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[newcam2012]

I want to see Allen hoist that Lombardi trophy. If happens he will be the number one reason why the Trophy is in Buffalo. Allen is elite and belongs in the top 5 discussion. 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Brady, Stafford & Murray

 

Brady just sealed a loss throwing a pick 6 today. He's played 1 more game than Allen so he has a handful more TDs but also a handful more Turnovers.

 

Stafford? Really? Yeah... he's definitely in the MVP conversation, but he wouldn't be so far ahead of Allen, if at all. He's played 1 more game and has 2 more TDs and the same number of Turnovers. And they average about the same amount of yards per game.

 

And Murray is about to exit the MVP conversation because he's gonna miss 1-3 games with an ankle injury. And besides, he's also played 1 more game than Allen, has the same number of TDs and a handful more Turnovers.

 

This is not going well for you.

Edited November 1, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

26 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Because of games like the ones next week. Those HAVE to be 3-4 Passing TD games, have to be mindful of this so at the end of the season he has 40+ passing TD's. Quite frankly the Dolphins game should have been that but wasn't. Can't have many more of those...

 

It's how Rodgers won the MVP last season. Can't have any of this "Trubisky Time" stuff either. Brady never comes out during blowouts, he pads stats until the game is over.

I still have a hard time following this logic…it’s not a ‘who has the most tds’ award…josh was 2nd in voting last year right? Was he second in TDs?  Dolphins have a ton of defensive talent on paper and had a great game plan and still lost by 15 I wouldn’t worry about that for the future….division games are tough it’s (almost) unheard of to beat the same team 7 times in a row lol