Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[transplantbillsfan]

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[SoTier]

On 1/10/2022 at 10:10 AM, Albany,n.y. said:

This is Kelly/Marino all over again.  Marino put up numbers in Miami that would have been impossible in Buffalo's weather.  

 

This season was one of the worst wind/bad weather seasons that I can remember.  Also the O line was a mess for most of the season.  Josh's numbers on paper suffered but on the field he was great.  

 

 

 

I agree.  I think Allen's decision making has improved over the season, especially in the last 4-6 weeks.   He's successfully mastered his natural inclination to be a gunslinger which is a really hard thing to do.   Most NFL QBs, even great ones like Brett Favre, can't/couldn't do this.

[Son of a K-Gun]

The Allen stats continue to amaze, but perhaps more important is the Allen eye test.  Anyone who watches him comes away with their jaw on the floor.  You can't appreciate his play properly from watching the highlights, you need to see the body of work and the way he shapes every game he plays in.

 

Back to the MVP conversation...seems a foregone conclusion that it's going to be Rodgers.  I just don't know how voters can look at what Rodgers accomplished this season and objectively say it was better than what Tom Brady did.  Brady threw for 1200 more yards than Rodgers, just think about that for a minute...that's FOUR 300 yard games better than Rodgers.  The only big plus in Rodgers' column is his 4 INT's to Brady's 12...keeping in mind that Brady had 188 more passing attempts, and 5 of Brady's INT's were off of drops and Hail Mary's.

 

I was already thinking that Brady was the better choice over Rodgers and then I saw this article from Dov Kleiman and it beautifully laid out what I had been thinking...good read for anyone interested.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/the-case-for-tom-brady-to-win-2021-nfl-mvp

 

Now I need to shower having just backed Tom Brady...eww.

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1483069273803264003?t=iAdTlLAsTQDV8wR_eNgLpg&s=19

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

[section122]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

 

Why aren't you looking at attempts?  He has 25 less attempts than the next closest guy.  Who cares how many games they played? 

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That rushing yard stat is SO BAD. Comparing Josh to multiple players with one or two less games than him. Apples to orangutans. Ho hum.

 

The one rushing stat I do like is that over the last seven games of the year, the Bills had the best rushing DVOA in the NFL. 

[DCofNC]

I don’t think Josh has a snowballs chance in hell of MVP this year with the statistical regression along with more losses, all of which can essentially be put in his lack of performance in the last minutes.  
 

That said, IDGAF about any of that.  If we get the QB that’s been playing the last few weeks, through these playoffs, there’s a chance finally win the SB.   To me, this week is the biggest hurdle.  KC is still the AFC champ until de-throned, gotta go to their house and take it from them.  The early season win means nothing now, their early season struggles mean nothing now, you have to go throw down in the playoffs and come out with the win.   If they can get it done, I like the chances against either of the Bengals or the Titans.  They should have curb stomped the Titans this season and the D couldn’t hold up, the Bengals are very good, but beatable for sure.

[FireChans]

23 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Why aren't you looking at attempts?  He has 25 less attempts than the next closest guy.  Who cares how many games they played? 

Because attempts is directly correlated to games played? 
 

Does Josh Allen have more rushing yards since week 13 than Nick Chubb if they played the same amount of games? No. Dumb stat.

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Because attempts is directly correlated to games played? 
 

Does Josh Allen have more rushing yards since week 13 than Nick Chubb if they played the same amount of games? No. Dumb stat.

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

Edited January 18, 2022 by billsfan1959

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

You seem extremely gleeful that Matt Breida turned out to be a non-factor, are you rooting for the Bills or the Chiefs next weekend?

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You seem extremely gleeful that Matt Breida turned out to be a non-factor, are you rooting for the Bills or the Chiefs next weekend?

 

Not gleeful at all. Nice try. Just pointing out how you probably shouldn't criticize others for silly statements. You know, that whole, "people who live in glass houses..." thing...

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Not gleeful at all. Nice try. Just pointing out how you probably shouldn't criticize others for silly statements. You know, that whole, "people who live in glass houses..." thing...

 

 

6 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The point of the stat is to show how much of a factor Allen has been in the rushing game over the last 5 weeks or so. While I know his rushing hasn't "transformed the offense" like your boy, Matt Breida 🤣🤣🤣, he has been a big factor in the uptick in the running game during that time...

Sure bro.  Really don't hope that Breida costs us the Chiefs game.  TBD may shut down with how many emojis you'll post being pumped about it!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 1/6/2022 at 8:15 AM, billsfan1959 said:

 

I think recency bias is an honest argument, just as I believe there are other honest arguments why Allen will not be in the running for the MVP. IMO, there is one primary reason Allen isn't in the running for MVP and that is the 0-5 record in close games.

 

If you look at the top 9 QBs this year, every one of them has at least 2 game winning drives - except Allen. Allen has 0 4th quarter comebacks and 0 GWD. Of 28 QBs with at least 11 starts, he is 1 of only 4 who do not have at least 1 GWD (Wentz, Mayfield, and Wilson being the others).

 

Compare that with what he did in his previous 3 years.

 

 

 

If Allen pulls out just two of them, Tenn and TB (where he was in a great position to do so), and, right now, he would have 2 4QC and 2 GWD, the Bills would have a 12-4 record, they would have won the AFC East, and own the #1 Seed. Even with the performance in the Atlanta game, I believe he would be in the running for MVP. 

 

But he didn't. I'm not saying that the failure to win those close games is all on Allen. What I am saying is that it is a legitimate argument to say that an MVP QB should be able to win some of those close games.

 

As I have stated before, I couldn't care less about the MVP award, I don't believe there is a player in the NFL that is more valuable to his team, I don't believe that there is a player that any team puts more pressure on to perform at a high level every game than Allen, and IMO, he is absolutely in the conversation about the best QB in the NFL. I love Allen and I wouldn't trade him for any QB.

 

I'm just offering what, IMO, is the best argument for why he is not in the discussion for MVP.

 

It will all be moot when he is holding up the Lombardi Trophy...

 

I mean it’s hard to hold it against Allen that he is so good that we blow everyone out…and in most of those close losses he was sensational and the only reason the game was close.   That second half against the bucs he was otherworldly it’s a crime against humanity diggs didn’t get that call in the end zone for the game winner.  

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

Sure bro.  Really don't hope that Breida costs us the Chiefs game.  TBD may shut down with how many emojis you'll post being pumped about it!

 

Touch a nerve, did I?

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

Josh finally proved that jerk wrong.

[Patrick Duffy]

10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He had a perfect game

 

WHAT MORE CAN YOU WANT?

 

There is nothing left to prove 

 

 

 

Just "arm arrogance"!! 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Finshed with a completion percentage below 65%.

 

Too many TO's, not enough passing yards.

 

Could not pull out ANY of the close games, not clutch enough.

 

Overall didn't regress as much as I expected.

 

Rodgers gets MVP because he's the only top QB who wasn't a TO machine.

 

 

i missed you gene1973.  

 

 

correction...i missed us.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

i missed you gene1973.  

 

 

correction...i missed us.

 

He's older since the last time you chatted with him.....means he probably got more negative.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Touch a nerve, did I?

When do men officially age out of bro? 
 

I’m thinking you’re Grand-bro at a minimum.  😎