Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[jethro_tull]

not currently in the conversation.  we had many legit offensive chances to win vs. Tenn, Tampa and New England.  two out of three and he is the frontrunner.  

there is time for this to change and I am hoping it does.  it can, we all know he can do it.   

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, mattynh said:

Is that also taking away all teams QB rushing yards?   Otherwise that is kind of useless.  Also would YPC and tds.  Should they be listed as the worst running team if they don’t actually run in as many times as other teams?

You just proved my point he’s such a big part of the teams run game without him they don’t have a run game 

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, Dopey said:

By the end of the season, Mahomes will get more votes for MVP. Check the numbers and record. 

Wasn't there a thread comparing their past certain # of games showing Josh is better? Funny how it was brought up during a bad stretch for Mahomes. A few even said Josh will end up the better QB when all is said and done. I get Josh is our guy, but don't let that fact affect your sensibilities.

 

Who cares?  Josh is a one-man offense.

[HappyDays]

41 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Mahomes will get more votes for MVP.

 

Mahomes has not been good this season. The Chiefs have won several games in spite of him, including their most recent win. He is not even in the conversation for MVP.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

By the end of the season, Mahomes will get more votes for MVP. Check the numbers and record. 

Wasn't there a thread comparing their past certain # of games showing Josh is better? Funny how it was brought up during a bad stretch for Mahomes. A few even said Josh will end up the better QB when all is said and done. I get Josh is our guy, but don't let that fact affect your sensibilities.

 

Sounds like you are talking about my thread. It was based on a question that really didn't even originate from Bills fans, although I am sure many of us were thinking it, but from Greg Cossell, one of the better analysts of QB play and about as unbiased as one can get. The timing of course couldn't have been worst for Cossell to say it and for me to post it as the very next day the Jacksonville played out.

 

As for Mahomes, even in this resurgence for KC, the KC offense and Mahomes in general has been pretty average. The KC resurgence has been entirely about their defense doing a complete 180. Remarkable how they have turned it around on that side of the ball.

 

Taking  a look at the numbers for each QB now, it's funny, Josh's struggles in his last seven games are very similar to Mahomes struggles in his firs 8 games, the time  at which I posted the thread. 

 

Worst stretch for each QB:

Mahomes first 8 games: 94.5 Rating 19 TD 10 INT 66.46% 7.29 YPA 2,368 yards passing 229 yards rushing 6.54 ypa 1 TD 5 fumbles 2 lost

Allen last 7 games: 88.4 Rating 14TD 9 INT 64.84% 6.88 YPA 1,762 passing yards 286 yards rushing 7.53 ypa 1 TD 4 fumbles 2 lost

 

Betst stretch for each QB:

Allen first 7 games: 103.1 Rating 17 TD 3 INT 65.44% 7.25 YPA 1,972 yards passing 269 yards rushing 5.17 ypa  3 TDs 4 fumbles 1 lost

Mahomes last 6 games: 97.8 Rating 11 TD 3 INT 64.29% 7.52 YPA 1,684 passing yards 73 rushing yards 3.65 ypa  1 TD 3 fumbles 2 lost

 

The glaring problem for each during their respective slumps is the turnovers. INT's in particular. Efficiency wise, Mahomes has not reached the highs that Allen reached during Allen's best stretch this season. But Mahomes low did not reach the low that Allen is currently at. Allen has been far more effective on the ground in both comparisons. That is more effective on the ground in each QB's best stretch of games and worse stretch of games. 

 

Could Mahomes get an MVP vote? Anything is possible  but he hasn't done anything over the last 15 weeks to warrant one IMO. And yes, Allen may have played his way out of the race as well. 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[HalftimeAdjustment]

It's going to be Aaron Rodgers. Again.

[transplantbillsfan]

C'mon now folks. Josh is clearly going to surpass 40 total TDs and 5000 total yards.

 

Are ya kidding me that this guy shouldn't be an MVP frontrunner for a division leading team?

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[gordong]

Can’t win mvp if you can’t even make the pro bowl….. F-ing joke.

[Ray Stonada]

HE IS THE MVP.

 

whether the media gives it to him or not.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, gordong said:

Can’t win mvp if you can’t even make the pro bowl….. F-ing joke.

 

Can and would be the BEST pie in your face moment.

[Roundybout]

This was the best game of his career today IMO

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, Ray Stonada said:

HE IS THE MVP.

 

whether the media gives it to him or not.

 

He is our MVP....... F everyone else

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Can and would be the BEST pie in your face moment.

Isn't it voted on by the same idiots that made him an alternate? What are the odds they'd vote to confirm their own stupidity?

[WyoAZBillfan]

Your thread sucks. JA #17 is the heart and soul of this team. They do nothing without him. B it’s that simple. Is he MVP? Yea to the Bills, and statistically in the NFL he’s better than most. 

[zow2]

The fact that Allen isn’t MVP and starting roster for the Pro Bowl is hilarious.  it doesn’t matter but quite honestly when it comes to Hall of Fame stuff years from now they point to those accolades 

[VW82]

Still can’t see this happening but Josh was pretty good today. Big time game from him.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Your thread sucks. JA #17 is the heart and soul of this team. They do nothing without him. B it’s that simple. Is he MVP? Yea to the Bills, and statistically in the NFL he’s better than most. 

Why does the thread suck?

 

This is an ongoing, weekly tracking thread.

[Albany,n.y.]

He'll get his MVP-In the Super Bowl!

[0017]

It makes me sick, and it’s really very funny he’s not in the pro bowl, but I do think he figured out something today. He took the run and check down flawlessly, well 😅 almost. And then he still kept his gunslinger edge to him when we needed a big play! Great game Josh!! Go Bills. Allen4Mvp

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

12 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Isn't it voted on by the same idiots that made him an alternate? What are the odds they'd vote to confirm their own stupidity?

 

Pro Bowl think is something like 1/3 each players, fans, and media.  MVP I believe is writers only and not all writers,select ones??

Edited December 26, 2021 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch