Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I mean maybe that’s how the voters are going to vote? 
 

If you’re just looking at pure numbers, strength of competition, record, etc. they’re just about equal. Josh has 4 wins against top 10 defenses mixed in there… Burrow hasn’t played a defense rated better than 13th. 
 

Burrow has had an incredible season, just like Josh. Recency bias is dumb. 

Yes. MVP a lot of times is about storyline. And recency bias. 

 

Aaron Rodgers has been the shoe-in for 8 weeks, no one is talking about them getting their doors blown off by the Saints early in the year, but Brady getting shut out recently hurt him. Recency bias exists. Joe Burrow has won the division for the Bungles for the first time in how long? He's a young marketable star, and has been dropping insane numbers to close out the year.  That mattes too.

 

I personally think if Josh got hot and blew out the Falcons and Jets, after the huge Pats win, he had a shot to be #2 in voting. That's how it goes.

Edited January 3, 2022 by FireChans

[GunnerBill]

58 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

It’s Rodgers MVP and should be unanimous. 

 

If I had a vote, and I don't, I'd vote Jonathan Taylor. I think Taylor will get some of the 50 votes too. But I agree Rodgers is going to win.

[Mat68]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No, Allen just threw 3 picks against the Atlanta Falcons.  Joe Burrow just threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's against the #1 seed in the AFC.

Week prior Allen carried the team to the division lead.  Burrow threw for 500 yards vs Baltimore 3rd stringers.  Every top AFC team has done that against Kc.  Buffalo, Chargers twice, Tennessee aswell.  Buffalo needed to win a game like yesterday more than it needed Allen to carry them again imo.  Yes, Burrow is impressive.  The NFL is also about circumstances and matchups.  At the end of the day and season Allen and Burrow 2 of the best 5 Qbs in the sport.  The overall numbers speak to that.

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yes. MVP a lot of times is about storyline. And recency bias. 

 

Aaron Rodgers has been the shoe-in for 8 weeks, no one is talking about them getting their doors blown off by the Saints early in the year, but Brady getting shut out recently hurt him. Recency bias exists.

 

I personally think if Josh got hot and blew out the Falcons and Jets, after the huge Pats win, he had a shot to be #2 in voting. That's how it goes.

 

I actually think if he converts that 4th down in Tennessee, doesn't touch the sideline with his foot when diving for the pylon at the end of regulation against Tampa Bay, and has an average or better day against Atlanta, Allen is, once again, in the top 3 for MVP consideration right now.

 

You are right, though, there is some recency bias. 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by billsfan1959

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Joe Burrow is peaking late. Josh Allen is not. 
 

If Burrow goes off again on the Browns next week he could win it IMO.

Agreed.

 

Allen was still in it up to this last game. But he needed to peek in his last two. 8+ touchdowns and only a couple turnovers and he’d be in it still. But that didn’t happen.

 

Burrow had a great game last week against the ravens but most people took that with a grain of salt because the ravens were basically playing with their practice squad defense. But to back up last weeks game with the game he just had was pretty big.

 

You can’t peak more than Burrow has these last two weeks.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Week prior Allen carried the team to the division lead.  Burrow threw for 500 yards vs Baltimore 3rd stringers.  Every top AFC team has done that against Kc.  Buffalo, Chargers twice, Tennessee aswell.  Buffalo needed to win a game like yesterday more than it needed Allen to carry them again imo.  Yes, Burrow is impressive.  The NFL is also about circumstances and matchups.  At the end of the day and season Allen and Burrow 2 of the best 5 Qbs in the sport.  The overall numbers speak to that.

I'm sorry. but if you're arguing that Josh Allen's last two weeks have been as impressive as Joe Burrow's, you're just incorrect.

 

Joe Burrow

8 TD's, 0 INT's, ~900 yards passing

 

Josh Allen

5 TD's, 3 INT's, ~434 yards passing

 

lol

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I actually think if he converts that 4th down in Tennessee, doesn't touch the sideline with his foot when diving for the pylon at the end of regulation against Tampa Bay, and has an average or better day against Atlanta, Allen is, once again, in the top 3 for MVP consideration right now.

 

You are right, though, there is some recency bias. 

 

If all of that happened Allen would be running away with the MVP regardless of the 3 INTs against Atlanta.

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I'm sorry. but if you're arguing that Josh Allen's last two weeks have been as impressive as Joe Burrow's, you're just incorrect.

 

Joe Burrow

8 TD's, 0 INT's, ~900 yards passing

 

Josh Allen

5 TD's, 3 INT's, ~434 yards passing

 

lol

I would say last week both were equally impressive. For Allen to do it on the road against the top defense in a big-time game.

 

And that says a whole lot when the other quarterback threw for over 500 yards and four touchdowns.

 

But the last two weeks, definitely not.

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

If all of that happened Allen would be running away with the MVP regardless of the 3 INTs against Atlanta.

 

I'm not sure, the passing numbers yesterday were pretty dismal. On the other hand, if those two things happened in Tennessee and Tampa Bay (we literally are talking inches on only two plays, the Bills would be 12-4, the #1 seed in the AFC, and one game behind the best record in football. So, you might be right.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not sure, the passing numbers yesterday were pretty dismal. On the other hand, if those two things happened in Tennessee and Tampa Bay (we literally are talking inches on only two plays, the Bills would be 12-4, the #1 seed in the AFC, and one game behind the best record in football. So, you might be right.

You also have to factor in two more touchdowns on the season for Allen too.

[MJS]

7 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

In all honesty, this is what bugs me as this is what we hear a lot - hope Josh learns, hope Josh learns, hope Josh learns. But we’ve seen this creep back into his game just when we do think he has learned; the Steelers was a shaky performance all round, then (yes, with a bad O-Line) the Jags, then the Pats, then the first half against the Bucs, then the Pats at home, then the second quarter yesterday. Others have rightly said it’s great we adjusted, utilised his other strengths and won, with Josh managing to recover mentally in the second half to lead us over the line, but for someone who has all the capabilities of being one of the best QBs ever, not just for the Bills, he has these passing games more often than I like and, more concerning, more than he had last year.

Players aren't robots. They have up and down games. It happens for their entire career. Josh isn't ever going to get to a point where he makes the right decision every down, because that's not possible.

Edited January 3, 2022 by MJS

[Mat68]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I'm sorry. but if you're arguing that Josh Allen's last two weeks have been as impressive as Joe Burrow's, you're just incorrect.

 

Joe Burrow

8 TD's, 0 INT's, ~900 yards passing

 

Josh Allen

5 TD's, 3 INT's, ~434 yards passing

 

lol

Im not.  Even with those games the there numbers are very close.  As much as Cincy needed Burrow to show he can go toe to toe with Mahomes, Buffalo needed to win a game Allen wasnt everything.  I can point to weeks Allen was significantly better than Burrow.  But that doesnt really matter.  Neither are in contention for the MVP because the number of picks they have thrown.   What the comparison of the numbers show is Burrows ints are whipped away in any discussion and his best games are whats talked about.  Allens turnovers and poor performances are whats discussed with him.  

[What a Tuel]

44 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No, Allen just threw 3 picks against the Atlanta Falcons.  Joe Burrow just threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's against the #1 seed in the AFC.

 

Allen threw for 315 yards and 4 tds (3 passing tds 1 rushing td) against that same "#1 seed" team. Burrow was playing from behind until the 4th quarter? These types of comments are why people think you guys actively root against the bills lol. 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by What a Tuel

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Players aren't robots. They have up and down games. It happens for their entire career. Josh isn't ever going to get to a point where he makes the right decision every down, because that's not possible.

Of course not. But more consistency in his play considering the strength of his arm and the clear attributes at his disposal?

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Allen threw for 315 yards and 3 tds against that same "#1 seed" team. Burrow was playing from behind until the 4th quarter? These types of comments are why people think you guys actively root against the bills lol. 

I’m actively rooting against the Bills because I think Joe Burrow has been playing near perfect football in the last two weeks and Josh hasn’t?

 

this is why half of the posts on TBD are unreadable. You’re right, Josh should be the MVP because I’m a Bills fan. Happy?

[What a Tuel]

Just now, FireChans said:

I’m actively rooting against the Bills because I think Joe Burrow has been playing near perfect football in the last two weeks and Josh hasn’t?

 

this is why half of the posts on TBD are unreadable. You’re right, Josh should be the MVP because I’m a Bills fan. Happy?

 

I'd think a Bills fan would be at least considerate of an honest argument. Not picking the last 2 weeks at the optimal time to trash your own QB and put them against a qb who had his best two weeks of the season?

 

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I'd think a Bills fan would be at least considerate of an honest argument. Not picking the last 2 weeks at the optimal time to trash your own QB and put them against a qb who had his best two weeks of the season?

 

 

An honest argument like admitting recency bias? Like I’ve admitted in at least 2 posts exists, especially when it comes to MVP votes?

 

I wish Bills fans such as yourself could chime in on arguments when they understood them.

[UKBillFan]

Josh is sixth in QBR this season (61.0), ahead of Burrow (53.9). I assume yesterday’s game have been accounted for with this.

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

An honest argument like admitting recency bias? Like I’ve admitted in at least 2 posts exists, especially when it comes to MVP votes?

 

I wish Bills fans such as yourself could chime in on arguments when they understood them.

 

You literally trashed one of Josh Allen's great games 2 weeks ago (so recent) by talking over it with an off game against the Falcons. As if the Bills Pats game won't be remembered because of an off Falcons game? I mean come on. But sure, you admit recency bias. 

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

You literally trashed one of Josh Allen's great games 2 weeks ago (so recent) by talking over it with an off game against the Falcons. As if the Bills Pats game won't be remembered because of an off Falcons game? I mean come on. But sure, you admit recency bias. 

I trashed it? How? By saying Joe Burrow has been better recently?

 

Im so sorry! Josh forgive me!

Edited January 3, 2022 by FireChans

[What a Tuel]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I trashed it? How? By saying Joe Burrow has been better recently?

 

Im so sorry!

 

You completely wrote it off by saying "No week 17 happened instead" when someone brought it up as a good point for Allen that happened recently. 

 

"No, Allen just threw 3 picks against the Atlanta Falcons.  Joe Burrow just threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's against the #1 seed in the AFC."

 

But whatever, zero in on this most recent game, I don't really care. Next week when Allen dismantles the Jets, Falcons will be 2 weeks away and wont matter in the MVP vote, right?

Edited January 3, 2022 by What a Tuel