krf139 Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 People seem to forget how Flutie got us to the playoffs TWICE. I didn’t realize Wade Phillips was a poster on this board 2 Quote
billsfan_34 Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 Allen, Bledsoe, Flutie, Fitz, and then a lot of slop. Quote
Niagara Bill Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 1:00 PM, JohnNord said: Something fun going around Twitter. Based on the list below rank the Bills starting QB’s since Jim Kelly retired. After Josh it’s a crap shoot and then the next five it gets really interesting. Here’s mine: Josh Allen Drew Bledsoe Kyle Orton Doug Flutie Tyrod Taylor Ryan Fitzpatrick Rob Johnson Kelly Holcomb EJ Manuel Trent Edwards J.P. Losman Todd Collins Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Matt Cassel Derek Anderson Thad Lewis Jeff Tuel Nathan Peterman Brian Brohm What kind of bs is this. JOHNSON is better than Flutie. Always was, always will be.....dems fighting words... Flutie was way too flakey.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Why do people like Flutue 1. Cute little guy 2. He had a band 3. He had a cereal 4. He had 4 very good games in a row. 5. He played in Canadian football league. 6. In an interview he could express himself without saying "Dude" 7. Could be carried off the field by only 1 medic 8. When he gave away his game spikes to kids they were so small the 6 year old could wear them Now....don't take this to seriously......you flutie flakes...😉😉😉😉😉😉 1 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Billznut said: Allen Flutie Bledsoe Taylor Fitz/Orton Lumping Fitz in with 3rd and puss is a pretty big insult to Fitzy. 3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: Orton should automatically be disqualified from any mention just for this play alone... This is why Orton will forever be 3rd and puss to me. Quote
BillsFanSD Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 1. Allen 2a.Bledsoe 2b.Flutie 4. Fitz I refuse to consider any of the others. Quote
Brennan Huff Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, ganesh said: And Trent Edwards gets a raw deal...He was much better than many of the folks on that list (that are above him) There were 17 QBs who started for the Bills between Kelly and Allen There were 17 years of Playoff drought Our QB wears the #17 Nah man Edwards sucked Quote
K-9 Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 One Chairman of the Joint Chiefs One sergeant One corporal One private The rest AWOL Quote
MJS Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 I created a QB index awhile ago that looked at passing and rushing stats. I also included wins, playoff appearances, championships, etc. These are how the post Kelly era QB's rank in that index: Josh Allen Tyrod Taylor Doug Flutie Kyle Orton Drew Bledsoe Ryan Fitzpatrick Kelly Holcomb Trent Edwards Rob Johnson Thad Lewis Todd Collins JP Losman EJ Manuel Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Nathan Peterman Jeff Tuel Derek Anderson Brian Brohm 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: 1. Allen 2a.Bledsoe 2b.Flutie 4. Fitz I refuse to consider any of the others. What did Fitz do besides lose a ton of games? Yeah, he is a good guy. He is smart and funny. But he was not a good QB for the Bills. He was exciting because he threw the ball all over the place, but it was almost as likely to go to a defender as it was to a receiver. Fitz today is a much better QB than he was with the Bills. Tyrod Taylor was a better Bills QB than three of the four QB's you listed, in my opinion. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, MJS said: I created a QB index awhile ago that looked at passing and rushing stats. I also included wins, playoff appearances, championships, etc. These are how the post Kelly era QB's rank in that index: Josh Allen Tyrod Taylor Doug Flutie Kyle Orton Drew Bledsoe Ryan Fitzpatrick Kelly Holcomb Trent Edwards Rob Johnson Thad Lewis Todd Collins JP Losman EJ Manuel Matt Barkley Alex Van Pelt Nathan Peterman Jeff Tuel Derek Anderson Brian Brohm What did Fitz do besides lose a ton of games? Yeah, he is a good guy. He is smart and funny. But he was not a good QB for the Bills. He was exciting because he threw the ball all over the place, but it was almost as likely to go to a defender as it was to a receiver. Fitz today is a much better QB than he was with the Bills. Tyrod Taylor was a better Bills QB than three of the four QB's you listed, in my opinion. I think Fitz has played on much better team since he left the bills And I think he played on crappy offenses here and made them actually decent Fitz was throwing to undrafted Donald Jones, undrafted David Nelson, undrafted Scott Chandler, And still moved the ball and scored points... I don't think he became any better when he went to the Jets or anywhere else Just had better talent around him 1 1 Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, krf139 said: People seem to forget how Flutie got us to the playoffs TWICE. I didn’t realize Wade Phillips was a poster on this board I remember the DEF carrying this team to two playoff appearances while Flutie was starting. Wins are a TEAM stat. Keep in mind guys like Vince Young and Tim Tebow won more games than they lost as starting QB. Quote
Artem Lipatov Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 Allen All other QBs after Kelly era were different sorts of trash. 1 Quote
MJS Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: I think Fitz has played on much better team since he left the bills And I think he played on crappy offenses here and made them actually decent Fitz was throwing to undrafted Donald Jones, undrafted David Nelson, undrafted Scott Chandler, And still moved the ball and scored points... I don't think he became any better when he went to the Jets or anywhere else Just had better talent around him He threw a ton of interceptions. That's on him. He lost a ton of games. That's partly on him. And I think if you were to ask him if he has been playing better in recent years than he did in Buffalo, he would say yes. He has made comments recently that he is playing the best football of his career. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MJS said: He threw a ton of interceptions. That's on him. He lost a ton of games. That's partly on him. And I think if you were to ask him if he has been playing better in recent years than he did in Buffalo, he would say yes. He has made comments recently that he is playing the best football of his career. He did thrown alot of picks but he wasn't surrounded by Great talent here He definitely elevated the WRs around him... He was the only QB who could get Stevie the ball .. made Scott Chandler viable He definitely was not the reason for being bad... Nobody is saying he was Pro bowl quality here Edited October 17, 2021 by Buffalo716 Quote
Rico Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 If either Flutie, TT, Fitz, or Orton (in their time as a Bill) was somehow the QB for the 2004 Bills, the Bills would’ve made the playoffs, the drought would’ve ended early, and TD’s career would not have been ruined. Quote
dave mcbride Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 Allen Flutie … … … Taylor … … … … … … … … Bledsoe and Orton … the rest 1 hour ago, MJS said: He threw a ton of interceptions. That's on him. He lost a ton of games. That's partly on him. And I think if you were to ask him if he has been playing better in recent years than he did in Buffalo, he would say yes. He has made comments recently that he is playing the best football of his career. Fitz is a better player now, and the signs were there when he was in Buffalo. But he was bad overall in Buffalo. His play in the final 10 games in 2011 after the 5-1 start was third-stringer level. Quote
dgrochester55 Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Tier by himself 1) Josh Allen Quality starters 2) Doug Flutie 3) Drew Bledsoe Stop gap options 4) Ryan Fitzpatrick 5) Tyrod Taylor 6) Kyle Orton Failed draft picks 7) Rob Johnson 8 Todd Collins 9) Trent Edwards 10) EJ Manuel 11) JP Losman Journeyman backups 12) Kelly Holcomb 13) Matt Barkley 14) Derek Anderson 15) Alex Van Pelt 16) Thad Lewis No business Starting-Tough call between Tuel and Peterman as the worst. 17) Brian Brohm 18) Jeff Tuel 19) Nathan Peterman Edited October 18, 2021 by dgrochester55 2 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: What kind of bs is this. JOHNSON is better than Flutie. Always was, always will be.....dems fighting words... Flutie was way too flakey.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Why do people like Flutue 1. Cute little guy 2. He had a band 3. He had a cereal 4. He had 4 very good games in a row. 5. He played in Canadian football league. 6. In an interview he could express himself without saying "Dude" 7. Could be carried off the field by only 1 medic 8. When he gave away his game spikes to kids they were so small the 6 year old could wear them Now....don't take this to seriously......you flutie flakes...😉😉😉😉😉😉 He won more that Robosack. Bandana Rob was a pu$$%. 1 Quote
Norcalbillsfan Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said: Tier by himself 1) Josh Allen Quality starters 2) Doug Flutie 3) Drew Bledsoe Stop gap options 4) Ryan Fitzpatrick 5) Tyrod Taylor 6) Kyle Orton Failed draft picks 7) Rob Johnson 8 Todd Collins 9) Trent Edwards 10) EJ Manuel 11) JP Losman Journeyman backups 12) Kelly Holcomb 13) Matt Barkley 14) Derek Anderson 15) Alex Van Pelt 16) Thad Lewis No business Starting-Tough call between Tuel and Peterman as the worst. 17) Brian Brohm 18) Jeff Tuel 19) Nathan Peterman Seeing our failed draft picks written down for the first time is a different kind of pain. And to be a kid bills fan excited about every one of them. Alot of trauma. Quote
MJS Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said: Tier by himself 1) Josh Allen Quality starters 2) Doug Flutie 3) Drew Bledsoe Stop gap options 4) Ryan Fitzpatrick 5) Tyrod Taylor 6) Kyle Orton Failed draft picks 7) Rob Johnson 8 Todd Collins 9) Trent Edwards 10) EJ Manuel 11) JP Losman Journeyman backups 12) Kelly Holcomb 13) Matt Barkley 14) Derek Anderson 15) Alex Van Pelt 16) Thad Lewis No business Starting-Tough call between Tuel and Peterman as the worst. 17) Brian Brohm 18) Jeff Tuel 19) Nathan Peterman Rob Johnson wasn't a draft pick for the Bills. Quote
SMAKCruiser Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 3:18 PM, CSBill said: Peterman has to be at the bottom. But yeah, where is Billy Joe, one of my all time favorite terrible Bills QBs. The thread is about starters. Billy Joe Hobert never started a game for the Bills. Quote
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