JoPoy88 Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 6:13 PM, fergie's ire said: Yeah, that's the part that gets me. Asking a source to look at an article to make sure he has been quoted fairly is common practice...but to say "Mr. Editor" as if Allen gets final say on the article, even if done jokingly, seems odd. Expand Not too odd when you realize he’s just a bootlicking access merchant. 2 Quote
wppete Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 Hope they release all the emails. Let’s be upfront and honest to the public and fans. A lot of people on the NFL are shaking in their boots right now and Om sure many owners and execs are. Expose them all! 1 Quote
Numark3 Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/13/2021 at 7:04 PM, wppete said: Hope they release all the emails. Let’s be upfront and honest to the public and fans. A lot of people on the NFL are shaking in their boots right now and Om sure many owners and execs are. Expose them all! Expand Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails. we’ll wait Edited October 13, 2021 by Crayola64 1 Quote
wppete Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:06 PM, Crayola64 said: Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails. we’ll wait Expand Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:06 PM, Crayola64 said: Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails. we’ll wait Expand The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding. If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off. It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office. 1 Quote
Jdragon2 Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/13/2021 at 8:06 PM, Crayola64 said: Everyone wanting all personal emails leaked, with no regards to relevancy, should first share all your private emails. we’ll wait Expand Not gonna lie I fall on this side of the fence. The NFL had to review all of these as part of this investigation....it's on them to take action if necessary....not the court of public opinion. I said some pretty stupid crap 10-15 years ago.... as I'm sure most people have. Now if the NFL is the one selectively releasing these emails as intimidation tactics (no clue if they are or not) then yea either release them or get a court-ordered gag seal on them 10-15 years ago society didn't feel the need to attack anyone who said a thing they didn't like to the point of getting them fired. Don't get me wrong I find most of what was said to range between abhorrent and in poor taste.... but emails from 10+ years ago have no bearing on what happens today....you know unless one of them admit to killing JFK? 🙈 Edited October 13, 2021 by Jdragon2 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 5:14 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: These national NFL 'insider" reporters have many cozy relationships with their sources. Executives, players, coaches, agents, whomever. They would not want to publish any content that burns their source. It might be factually incorrect, go beyond the scope of the sources wishes or it may include some context that reveals the identity of the source, assuming they wish to remain unidentified. Seems logical to me. Expand Same for hockey. Look at the Eichel situation. Every "exclusive" is something fed by his agent to one of the major hockey reporters, usually Friedmann, Dreger or LeBrun. Just last week it was "Jack's gonna get moved soon." This week crickets. Quote
Numark3 Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:14 PM, DrDawkinstein said: The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding. If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off. It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office. Expand no, I care about the non-offensive irrelevant emails from people that won’t get them cancelled. It’s a complete invasion of privacy and is a ridiculous thing to release. Quote
Dr. Who Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:14 PM, DrDawkinstein said: The opposite is letting the NFL office sit on "ammo" that they can use to blackmail and control and threaten people with releasing if they do not fall in line with their bidding. If they are going to leak emails, they need to release all the emails at once. Rip the band-aid off. It isnt to witch hunt folks, or to cancel as many people as possible, but rather to take that away from the NFL office. Expand I'm not really sure what the prudent action is. The threat of blackmail and control seems real enough. As a society, the line between public and private has been blurred by social media. The effect has been deleterious in most cases. And now the arbiters of what constitutes righteous behavior are just aching to turn this into an expose of toxic masculinity and the nefarious "NFL culture." Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:15 PM, Jdragon2 said: 10-15 years ago society didn't feel the need to attack anyone who said a thing they didn't like to the point of getting them fired. Expand Maybe they did but didnt have the platforms or voice to get it accomplished. I'd say the work "attack" is a bit overblown too. Keep in mind that it was NOT Twitter backlash or uproar that ended Gruden. None of that even had a chance to get rolling before he resigned. This was strictly because he 1. lost the locker room, and 2. insulted all the bosses. Accountability and consequences for actions isnt a horrible thing. On 10/13/2021 at 8:15 PM, Jdragon2 said: Don't get me wrong I find most of what was said to range between abhorrent and in poor taste.... but emails from 10+ years ago have no bearing on what happens today....you know unless one of them admit to killing JFK? 🙈 Expand Ehhh, yes and no. Specifically to this Gruden leak, he is in a direct position to hire staff and make player personnel decisions. So when emails pop up, even from 10+ years ago, talking about which vulnerable groups he doesnt think should be employed... yeah it has bearing on what happens today. After that, he'd never be able to make a cut or a hire that wouldnt get put through the filter of "Is this valid, or just his biases showing up?", and rightfully so. On 10/13/2021 at 8:20 PM, Crayola64 said: no, I care about the non-offensive irrelevant emails from people that won’t get them cancelled. It’s a complete invasion of privacy and is a ridiculous thing to release. Expand But they are from the WFT office emails. Work emails are never private. They arent releasing someone's gmail account. On 10/13/2021 at 8:21 PM, Dr. Who said: I'm not really sure what the prudent action is. The threat of blackmail and control seems real enough. As a society, the line between public and private has been blurred by social media. The effect has been deleterious in most cases. And now the arbiters of what constitutes righteous behavior are just aching to turn this into an expose of toxic masculinity and the nefarious "NFL culture." Expand I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right? Quote
Dr. Who Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:26 PM, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right? Expand I think Snyder and the dysfunction with WFT is well known. I don't think that means its open season on the NFL as a whole, but if that's your proclivities, have at it. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:30 PM, Dr. Who said: I think Snyder and the dysfunction with WFT is well known. I don't think that means its open season on the NFL as a whole, but if that's your proclivities, have at it. Expand It isnt the NFL as a whole. It is releasing the WFT emails that are now being used selectively and arbitrarily by the NFL Office to oust people as they see fit. Quote
Dr. Who Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:32 PM, DrDawkinstein said: It isnt the NFL as a whole. It is releasing the WFT emails that are now being used selectively and arbitrarily by the NFL Office to oust people as they see fit. Expand Alright, fella. I don't know what you're arguing with me about. I don't like it. I said as much the first time. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:34 PM, Dr. Who said: Alright, fella. I don't know what you're arguing with me about. I don't like it. I said as much the first time. Expand Fair enough. Just discussing since all the different aspects and opinions on this are interesting to me. Go Bills! 1 Quote
Numark3 Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/13/2021 at 8:26 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Maybe they did but didnt have the platforms or voice to get it accomplished. I'd say the work "attack" is a bit overblown too. Keep in mind that it was NOT Twitter backlash or uproar that ended Gruden. None of that even had a chance to get rolling before he resigned. This was strictly because he 1. lost the locker room, and 2. insulted all the bosses. Accountability and consequences for actions isnt a horrible thing. Ehhh, yes and no. Specifically to this Gruden leak, he is in a direct position to hire staff and make player personnel decisions. So when emails pop up, even from 10+ years ago, talking about which vulnerable groups he doesnt think should be employed... yeah it has bearing on what happens today. After that, he'd never be able to make a cut or a hire that wouldnt get put through the filter of "Is this valid, or just his biases showing up?", and rightfully so. But they are from the WFT office emails. Work emails are never private. They arent releasing someone's gmail account. I mean, you are aware of some of the stuff already confirmed was happening in Snyder's offices. Right? Expand They would be releasing gmail emails sent to a work email. There is no reason to release irrelevant private emails if Susie G is saying come home late because she has diarrhea, you don’t need that email if two employees are saying GOSH THAT NEW TRAINEE IS SLOOOOW…that doesn’t need to be made public Edited October 13, 2021 by Crayola64 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:36 PM, Crayola64 said: They would be releasing gmail emails sent to a work email. There is no reason to release irrelevant private emails Expand If either side is a work email, it isnt a private message. We should all know how this works. If you want to keep stuff private, keep it out of the work servers on either side. There are plenty of other means of communications. Heck, I don't even text much with my brother-in-law because he has a work-paid cell phone. Any dirty jokes or funny memes, I send to my sister's phone and have her show him. That's to protect both of us. Quote
TBBills Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 This doesn't seem like news to me other than Schefty has a leg up on reporting... isn't that how the game is played? This just sounds like people being a little jealous. Quote
wppete Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:31 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand The sad thing is Om sure this is true 😂. What a sham it all is. Quote
ProcessTruster Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 Learned a long time ago not to read and re read what you put in email. If you write something in anger, leave it in your drafts folder, go to bed and look at it again in the morning. I don't recall ever sending one of those out. If I could only apply that logic to this board, I'd be all set. Quote
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