A few Thoughts about the Chiefs Game, in no particular order

[BillsfaninSB]

We don’t control our destiny for the 1 seed. 
 

if the Ravens win tonight the Bills are a 3 seed if the playoffs started tomorrow.

 

We may have to cheer for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers at some point.   Think about that. 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by BillsfaninSB

[Heathcliff]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

I was a little worried when the 3rd quarter woes of 2019 creeped back into last night's game.

 

But it all worked out in the end. 👍

I forgot about our 3rd quarter woes last year. It was horribly consistent for many games. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

While his predetermined narrative had been collapsing around him all night, that was the moment even Collinsworth could no longer defend it and finally gave up. 
 

It was beautiful. 

Collinsworth was like some weird Simpsons character all night. 
 

I think pressure is going to come from the left…. No blitz…

 

Spags  is going to bring the house here. This is his bread and butter…rushes 4…

 

Things just have never clicked for Josh Allen....Throw of the day to Sanders in the end zone. 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Mango

[BillsfaninSB]

I didn’t like the McKenzie muff.   That is very concerning.  It is getting old. 

[WideNine]

17 minutes ago, corta765 said:

You knew things with the reffing were bad when even Al Michaels was getting pissed, he once quipped "And what a surprise here comes another flag". I am sure the NFL was thrilled with Al basically burning the ref crew after a while lol

 

At one point after 2 or 3 flagless plays, the laundry flew and Al sarcastically said that we were due another flag...

 

Hard to argue with him. The Refs unnecessarily inserted themselves into the game and ruined the entertainment value and the flow with ticky-tacky phantom calls all over the field. The Bills had some amazing runs called back on the weakest of holding calls - who calls a hold on a center away from the play? Not only that, but Morse did his initial punch to the chest of the defender then just settled into his pass-pro stance.

 

That was it - I nearly choked when Collingsworth started babbling about when you grab a jersey during the replay of what was clearly a phantom call... Was wondering what the hell kind of hallucinogen is was tripping on.

 

They were effectively ruining the product - I cannot imagine that is what the NFL wants.

 

 

 

[BobbyC81]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

At one point after 2 or 3 flagless plays, the laundry flew and Al sarcastically said that we were due another flag...

 

Hard to argue with him. The Refs unnecessarily inserted themselves into the game and ruined the entertainment value and the flow with ticky-tacky phantom calls all over the field. The Bills had some amazing runs called back on the weakest of holding calls - who calls a hold on a center away from the play? Not only that, but Morse did his initial punch to the chest of the defender then just settled into his pass-pro stance.

 

That was it - I nearly choked when Collingsworth started babbling about when you grab a jersey during the replay of what was clearly a phantom call... Was wondering what the hell kind of hallucinogen is was tripping on.

 

They were effectively ruining the product - I cannot imagine that is what the NFL wants.

 

 

 

I also watched the Niners/Arizona game and I thought it was bad with the flags.  Then I watched this game.

[All_Pro_Bills]

26 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

We don’t control our destiny for the 1 seed. 
 

if the Ravens win tonight the Bills are a 3 seed if the playoffs started tomorrow.

 

We may have to cheer for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers at some point.   Think about that. 

 

 

I hate looking ahead at the schedule because its still one week at a time and things can change real fast but a few things to consider along the way here:

 

1) The Bills appear to have the easiest divisions schedule of the three teams.  Maybe the Bills win 5 or 6 division games as it looks right now.

2) The Bills could be the favorite in 11 of the 12 game left on the schedule with the exception being the Tampa game in December. 

3) The Browns look to be a better team in the Central than the Ravens and they don't play until December.   Cincinnati is a work in progress and the Steelers appear to have found some offense this weekend.  So I wouldn't pencil in the Ravens for 5 or 6 division wins.  

4) The AFCW and AFCC play each other this year.  So like next week's Ravens vs. Chargers somebody is going to lose and record their 2nd loss of the season (maybe the 3rd if the Ravens lose tonight).

 

[Solomon Grundy]

49 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Diggs play against that relatively unknown CB is the only thing that concerned me a bit.  That said, who knows if that CB was getting safety help with Diggs or what.  Impossible to tell on TV.  

Didn’t need the safeties, he got help from the refs

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

 

That was the aspect of the defense that stood out the most to me. Every time they completed a short pass, there was a total swarm of Bills around the receiver.

 

It seemed they had no YAC as a 5 yard completion stayed a 5 yard completion and not 15 yards and a first down. Frazier called a great game, and the Bills D executed it to perfection

 

This is an astute observation.  Last season, nearly half of Mahomes passing yards were YAC.  2267 out of 4740.  So far this season, overall that's true again.

 

My eyeballs say:  Not Last Night.  Any completions that were made, got run over by a swarm of Bison

 

Edit: Mahomes YPA bear that out.  5 YPA.  Typical for Mahomes are 8+ YPA

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Please don’t underestimate the game Rousseau played yesterday. Not only did he have the sack and interception, he took away the Chiefs screen plays to the RB on a couple of occasions. Great draft pick by Beane & Co

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I hate looking ahead at the schedule because its still one week at a time and things can change real fast but a few things to consider along the way here:

 

1) The Bills appear to have the easiest divisions schedule of the three teams.  Maybe the Bills win 5 or 6 division games as it looks right now.

2) The Bills could be the favorite in 11 of the 12 game left on the schedule with the exception being the Tampa game in December. 

3) The Browns look to be a better team in the Central than the Ravens and they don't play until December.   Cincinnati is a work in progress and the Steelers appear to have found some offense this weekend.  So I wouldn't pencil in the Ravens for 5 or 6 division wins.  

4) The AFCW and AFCC play each other this year.  So like next week's Ravens vs. Chargers somebody is going to lose and record their 2nd loss of the season (maybe the 3rd if the Ravens lose tonight).

 

I hate to break it to you, but the AFC Central hasn’t been around for 20 years. 

[appoo]

43 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I didn’t like the McKenzie muff.   That is very concerning.  It is getting old. 

if he can’t eat into Beasley’s PT (and Beasley is clearly struggling this year compared to prior years), then he’s not gonna be on the roster next season. A rookie could fulfill his current role 

30 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

I also watched the Niners/Arizona game and I thought it was bad with the flags.  Then I watched this game.

the officiating consistentcy has been awful. It’s worse than basketball where one team has a one official in the back court and baseline and the opposing the opposite. I shouldn’t think there’s a different ref for each offense 

[Draconator]

58 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

We don’t control our destiny for the 1 seed. 
 

if the Ravens win tonight the Bills are a 3 seed if the playoffs started tomorrow.

 

We may have to cheer for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers at some point.   Think about that. 

 

 

Or an AFC Conference loss. That's where the Chargers have us right now, better conference record.

[Motorin']

59 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

We don’t control our destiny for the 1 seed. 
 

if the Ravens win tonight the Bills are a 3 seed if the playoffs started tomorrow.

 

We may have to cheer for the Chiefs to beat the Chargers at some point.   Think about that. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, what? 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

I got blasted early for criticizing Allen for that one play on our first possession when he ran backwards 20 yards and the intentional grounding. 

 

When I see a bad play it is just that - a bad play and I think Allen just misjudged the defenders speed on that play, BUT what separated that play from years past is the growth and maturity of Allen. In years past he probably would have dwelt on that and tried to do too much to compensate which would lead to trouble. KC message boards were awash with "here is the Allen we all love..." with laugh emojis galore - Allen quickly shut that down.

 

It is a bit of a privilege to watch the maturation of Allen into one of the top NFL QB's before our eyes.

 

Allen shook off that early miscue and just went to work taking apart the KC defense with his arm and his legs. I have always thought that if he could just hit some of those under routes, dumps, and screens he would unleash so much more of his potential that teams have worked to counter by taking away his bread & butter intermediate routes around the sticks and he is doing just that. The chains keep moving and teams have no choice but to start to gamble and creep up a bit which opens things up.

 

I was a bit worried early that he was not sliding enough on his scrambles, but when he bowled over the KC defenders to score a TD with a wall of blockers in front of him on a designed run, I had to remind myself that this is who Josh Allen is and he is not some fragile piece of glass out there. His ability to run for the sticks causes the safeties to hesitate and cheat towards the LOS and then he is able to unleash absolute bombs to guys that get behind them. It is a necessary element to this offense.

 

The bombs do not happen if Allen does not have the time and space to either step up or outside the pocket. The Bills are on to something with this OL combination - guys sometimes gave up ground to rushers, but they were fighting the whole way and Allen had room to slide around and side-step those battles. I did not see the jail breaks with O-Linemen standing around looking sheepish. They blocked fantastic and had push when they wanted to exert their will and run the ball.

 

For Allen and this offense to get closer to their potential we needed to block better, but also we needed to run and be able to get our RBs and TEs more involved as pass receiving weapons out of play action. I was getting annoyed at the number of well-thrown but dropped passes our RBs had early, but they eventually warmed up to the task and Knox is a bonified receiving threat that will open things up for the rest of our receivers.

 

Those passes to Sanders on a rope were just sick - loved Sanders saying he had to shake off his own Josh "fan-boy" moment:)

 

Posters come here and try to stir stuff up by talking about how Bills fans were hating on this player or that player and perhaps that happens, but I think for the most part that is misleading LAMP material. Wanting our players to play better in areas is not hating on them. I wanted Knox to become that consistent reliable target that does not put the ball on the ground - that does not mean I hate the player... just wanted to see that growth. He has shown that and I could not be happier for him or my Bills.

 

I also wanted Edmunds to get better at reading plays, taking the right angles, shedding blocks, and coming up to make stops. This is not hating on Edmunds either, but wanting that complete player we need at MIKE. Most of us have a good idea what he does very well for this defense and where he has struggled. In a recent interview Allen said something to the effect that Edmunds has been playing smarter reading offensive plays and is making it more difficult to practice against him. 

 

I think that sometimes physically gifted players have a longer football learning curve as they may have more of a history leaning on that superior athleticism and really do not need to become students of the game as much as others players. Edmunds seems to have a better understanding of his own assignments this year and is more decisive - admittedly having an effective rotation of Star and Zim in front of him manning the middle of the DL keeping him clean does not hurt either.

 

Dabs got a bit predictable in the 3rd quarter. I am not for abandoning the run or the desire to keep the clock running with Mahomes cooling his heels on the sideline, but if you consistently show a pattern of running on 1st down when the opposing team is selling out on run blitzes on 1st down you are effectively throwing away that very play action benefit you worked to create. He needed to let Allen do more play action on 1st downs and unleash passes behind all those defenders selling out... we got a bit predictable and stagnant and I think their self-scouting will show that.

 

Other than that, I thought it was a solid game. Gone were the missed tackles, instead I saw our secondary coming up and laying the wood on their receivers and everyone flying to the ball gang tacking. Hill may not have alligator-armed that pass that went into Hyde's hands if he had not been hit as often or as hard as he had been.

 

For a defense that had played on its heels too often last year I like the change in this squad and the injection of young talent along the DL that Beane found. Big test of the run defense coming up against Henry who is a beast, but I like our odds on offense pulling away making it more difficult for the Titans to remain run-centric.

 

Last year the Titans went away form the man/blitz defenses teams were using against Allen and introduced the double-high safety looks to our beat up squad and our offense sputtered trying to move the the chains against that. Since then Allen has seen it over and over and he has had to work hard to learn what is needed to beat those looks. Good time for a rematch.

 

Sorry for the long post, but in a weird zombie-tired and wired zone.... like a lot of us I suppose.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought he was extremely composed and steady through a game with lots of curve balls.  He threw the ball away multiple times rather than force throws.  He took what KC was giving them. He maintained composure through a barrage of questionable penalties, dropped balls, missed PI calls, a 90 minute weather delay that could easily have gotten the offense off track.  He just kept coming and hit the plays that were there.  In the past, he would have gone sugar high and started playing hero ball but not last night.  And when we absolutely needed a first down and to score some points he hurdled a dude and sealed the game.  

 

 

[TPS]

21 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Please don’t underestimate the game Rousseau played yesterday. Not only did he have the sack and interception, he took away the Chiefs screen plays to the RB on a couple of occasions. Great draft pick by Beane & Co

He also had a key run stop on a 3rd (or was it a 4th?) down play.

[WideNine]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I thought he was extremely composed and steady through a game with lots of curve balls.  He threw the ball away multiple times rather than force throws.  He took what KC was giving them. He maintained composure through a barrage of questionable penalties, dropped balls, missed PI calls, a 90 minute weather delay that could easily have gotten the offense off track.  He just kept coming and hit the plays that were there.  In the past, he would have gone sugar high and started playing hero ball but not last night.  And when we absolutely needed a first down and to score some points he hurdled a dude and sealed the game.  

 

 

 

Yep - that maturation was on full display, and you are right. With the dropped balls, the normally back-breaking phantom calls killing drives in a hostile environment, the storm delay, there were all sorts of things a person could blame for getting derailed -  Allen was a rock.

 

 

 

[BillsfaninSB]

23 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I'm sorry, what? 

Not sure what is unclear.   OP indicated Bills control their own destiny for the #1 seed.  We do not.   If Chargers win out and Bills win out, the Bills are a #2 seed because of the stupid Steeler loss.  Chargers lost to an NFC team. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Regarding #5, Sal said this morning he's the first QB in a decade to pass for 300+ yards on 15 or less attempts.

 

Last one was Josh Freeman for Tampa.

so between last night’s stats and this one, Josh is on track to be either Cam, Culpepper, or Freeman. Some damning praise there. 

[Motorin']

4 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Not sure what is unclear.   OP indicated Bills control their own destiny for the #1 seed.  We do not.   If Chargers win out and Bills win out, the Bills are a #2 seed because of the stupid Steeler loss.  Chargers lost to an NFC team. 

 

It's week ***** 5 of a 17 game season.